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    Penis envy (German: Penisneid) is a stage theorized by Sigmund Freud regarding female psychosexual development, in which female adolescents experience anxiety upon realization that they do not have a penis. Freud considered this realization a defining moment in a series of transitions toward a mature female sexuality and gender identity. In Freudian theory, the penis envy stage begins the transition from an attachment to the mother to competition with the mother for the attention, recognition and affection of the father.

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    In Freud's psychosexual development theory, the phallic stage (approximately between the ages of 3.5 and 6) is the first period of development in which the libidinal focus is primarily on the genital area. Prior to this stage, the libido (broadly defined by Freud as the primary motivating energy force within the mind) focuses on other physiological areas. For instance, in the oral stage, in the first 12 to 18 months of life, libidinal needs concentrate on the desire to eat, sleep, suck and bite. The theory suggests that the penis becomes the organ of principal interest to both sexes in the phallic stage. This becomes the catalyst for a series of pivotal events in psychosexual development. These events, known as the Oedipus complex for boys, and the Electra complex for girls, result in significantly different outcomes for each gender because of differences in anatomy.

    Freud thought girls:

    Soon after the libidinal shift to the penis, the child develops her first sexual impulses towards her mother.
    The girl realizes that she is not physically equipped to have a heterosexual relationship with her mother, since she does not have a penis.
    She desires a penis, and the power that it represents. This is described as penis envy. She sees the solution as obtaining her father's penis.
    She develops a sexual desire for her father.
    The girl blames her mother for her apparent castration (what she sees as punishment by the mother for being attracted to the father) assisting a shift in the focus of her sexual impulses from her mother to her father.
    Sexual desire for her father leads to the desire to replace and eliminate her mother.
    The girl identifies with her mother so that she might learn to mimic her, and thus replace her.
    The child anticipates that both aforementioned desires will incur punishment (by the principle of lex talionis).
    The girl employs the defence mechanism of displacement to shift the object of her sexual desires from her father to men in general.

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    Karl Abraham differentiated two types of adult women in whom penis envy remained intense as the wish-fulfilling and the vindictive types: The former were dominated by fantasies of having or becoming a penis—as with the singing/dancing/performing women who felt that in their acts they magically incorporated the [parental] phallus. The latter sought revenge on the male through humiliation or deprivation (whether by removing the man from the penis or the penis from the man).
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    Holy shit.

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    This is when he had a bit too much cocaine.

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    Wikipedia always oversimplifies everything... http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14969...-h/14969-h.htm ← Here's a transcript of Three Contributions to the Theory of Sexuality Freud wrote in 1905... Tell me if the content of your Wikipedia article is the same of his own writings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony PV View Post
    Wikipedia always oversimplifies everything... http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14969...-h/14969-h.htm ← Here's a transcript of Three Contributions to the Theory of Sexuality Freud wrote in 1905... Tell me if the content of your Wikipedia article is the same of his own writings...
    Too long for a brief read.

    Make your brief analysis of Freud's theory here.

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    penis envy

    you know every girl want the d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    Too long for a brief read.
    Make your brief analysis of Freud's theory here.
    [...]It is quite natural for the male child to presuppose in all persons [he] knows a genital like his own, and to find it impossible to harmonize the lack of it with his conception of others.

    The Castration Complex.—This conviction is energetically adhered to by the boy and tenaciously defended against the contradictions which soon result, and are only given up after severe internal struggles (castration complex). The substitutive formations of this lost penis of the woman play a great part in the formation of many perversions.

    The assumption of the same (male) genital in all persons is the first of the remarkable and consequential infantile sexual theories. It is of little help to the child when biological science agrees with his preconceptions and recognizes the feminine clitoris as the real substitute for the penis. The little girl does not react with similar refusals when she sees the differently formed genital of the boy. She is immediately prepared to recognize it, and soon becomes envious of the penis; this envy reaches its highest point in the consequentially important wish that she also should be a boy.
    [Sigmund Freud, Three Contributions to the Theory of Sexuality, 1905]

    From what I understand, Freud theorizes that when children discover that mankind is composed of two sexes, they react differently according to their gender: boys refuse to believe that girls don't have a penis like them and develop a castration anxiety. OTOH, girls automatically accept that boys have a penis and become envious of them. That's it, that's all. No blaming the mother, no desiring the father.

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    This article is bullScheiße.







    *whispers* if only I had a penis
    My favorite emoticon is:

    "Sitä niittää mitä kylvää."

    Miten menee, suomalaiset? Jos haluat puhua suomea, lähetä viesti minulle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katariina View Post
    This article is bullScheiße.







    *whispers* if only I had a penis
    Alot of what freud said was just crazy bullshit ... Like with all oedepis complex and etc .

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    science is always evolving and changing, at that time ppl thought he was genius now he's been disproved with very little actually being a fact, but i still have much respect for him to come out with something like that (though crazy) becuase like a real scientist he went to go out and observe

    pretty sure science now, many things will be disproved and another thing will come out

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