How Greek is Greece?

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I score 68% Balkan on 23andme. It is an absolutely meaningless, wishy-wash, pie-in-the-sky grouping. I have a TON of Greek fifth cousins on 23andMe and it is because they have Slavs in their lineage. The Slavs... you know, you Hellenized when you annexed Macedonia in the First Balkan War.

Haha sure, because we know there weren't Greeks all over Skopje, Romania and Bulgaria. Anyway retard it is only natural to have cousins from neighbouring countries, your own president Gligorov said there were over 100,000 Slavicized Greeks in fYROM. That's quite a number for your tiny republic.

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Haha sure, because we know there weren't Greeks all over Skopje, Romania and Bulgaria. Anyway retard it is only natural to have cousins from neighbouring countries, your own president Gligorov said there were over 100,000 Slavicized Greeks in fYROM. Thatäs quite a number for your tiny republic.

Yes, assimilating/Slavicizing Greeks is an ages-old tradition since the 5th century.

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Yes, assimilating/Slavicizing Greeks is an ages-old tradition since the 5th century.

Who still retain Greek conscience yes. Most of these were actually communists who fled Greece during civil war.

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I don't hate Greeks. Greece is a failed state that should have become extinct in 1453. The remaining Greeks Turkified and resettled in Anatolia.

Only 300,000 Muslims from Greece have settled in Turkey. Many of them were pure Turks brought in by the Ottomans to alter the demography of the region, but there were Turkified Greeks among them, Albanians, gypsies etc. These people identified with Turks and often commited attrocities against the local population, as is the case with Muslim Cretans.

Even Pontians in North East were not Turkified and until the very end wanted to become the Republic of Pontus. They even had created their own flag. You have been unter Turkish rule more time than these Pontians, who succumbed a century later to Turks than you did.

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Nikolaos Mihaloliakos is European like most Greeks are



Your a bad liar as well... keep banding we are not Europeans and Greeks, you success nothing as well.



31 million of Slavs from difference Slavic states were victims of Nazis.

SLAVIC HOLOCAUST
http://slavialand.org/slavicholocaust.htm

You have no brain at all.

African right there.

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What are you talking about greece is 98 percent pure they have resisted countless invasions,pandemic diseases immigration and reproduced only through inbreeding.

The are the fine example of pure race .Macedonians are fake slavs .

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Oh, you're regurgitating the pure ancient Hellenes fairytale again... I see. It's absolutely preposterous to suggest that the ancient Greeks never mixed with native Anatolians. It's like saying Spaniards who colonized Mexico have zero native American admixture after all this time. The Anatolian Greeks are just as foreign as Cypriot Greeks.

First of all idiot there's no such thing as "Anatolian Greeks", but Asia Minor Greeks and they cluster genetically with Greek islanders and Sicilians. There was no such thing as Turkey until the 20th century!!

It's absolutely preposterous to suggest that the ancient Greeks never mixed with native Anatolians.

No stupid the Greek part of ASIA MINOR had been purely Greek, as GREEK AS PELOPONNESE. I AM NOT KIDDING YOU. Consider it a Greek region part of Greece.

I hope, you do know that Carians, Lydians, Trojans and all the peoples of those areas, also roamed in the Balkans, and had been mixed with Greek tribes since the colonization of these areas by Myceaenean Greeks around 2000 BC! So you are talking about pre-historic mixing, because all the people that inhabited Asia Minor (Western Turkey) considered themselves nothing else than Greeks.

Don't jump from archaic periods to Medieval era, it is important to refer the period you are speaking about.

For example at the beginning, Troy has been founded by Proto-Ionian Greeks in Luwian territory. It was a "mixed city" and a Greek emporium. This lasted from Troy I to Troy III. During the following periods, Troy was ruled by Anatolian kings, then by kings of
Proto-Ionian origin, bearing a double name (Anatolian : e.g. Priam /Greek : Podarkès). That is why say things like Trojans were not Greeks because they fought with Greeks is as absurd as saying that Spartans weren't Greeks because they fought with Athenians. The Trojan-achaean war was more like a civil war. Trojans are described in the Illiad of having the same physical appearance with Greeks, they worshipped the same Gods, married Greek wives, had the same customs as Greeks..you get my point.

There were also Carians, Elamites, Lydians and many other Ancient tribes that inhabited in archaic times the Greek region of Asia Minor and also were found found in the Balkans. So to say we mixed with them is ridiculous to say the least. Herodotus for example was from Caria. Carians had lose control of Caria since arhaic times, long before Herodotus was born there. Greeks had colonised the place since Myceanean times.

Now don't confuse all these with Hittites, Armenians, Medo-Persians, Assyrians, Circassians and other non Pelasgian tribes, they never lived in the Greek indigenous regions of Asia Minor and never considered themselves Greeks. They still retain their cultures and languages even today. In the Ottoman times, the people of Western Turkey and Pontos were the only ones to use the ethnonym Romios which was synonymous for an ethnic Greek. Armenians, Turks, Bulgarians, Assyrians all these people identified by their ethnonyms and spoke their own languages and never called themselves Romioi.

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Also people do the mistake of comparing the huge population of Turkey today with the relatively small population of modern Greece.

They see 80 million Turks and they think all those millions Turks must be Turkified Greeks. rofl I hear that a lot.

Not so. In 1925 Turkey only had double the population of Greece. The Greek population was ethnically cleansed to Greece. To call these people non Greeks when for centuries they had been the epitomy of Greekness is ahistorical and moronic and is like erasing a huge part of Greek history. Their natives language was Greek, their common memories Greek and self.identified as Greek. In any case there's no such thing as Anatolian Greek today. Only modern Greeks. Find me a category Anatolian Greek in Gedmatch they are now 'East Greeks' in genetic tests.

Turkey also had exchange of population with Syria and repopulated many parts of Turkey throughout the centuries with Circassians, Muslim Balkanites, Azeris, Iranian besides its Kurdish and Armenian populations etc.

Just to keep things into perspective population of Greece, Turkey and Albania at the beginning of last century, around 1925:

Greece: 6 million
Turkey; 13 million
Albania: 500,000

A century later:

Greece: 10 million
Turkey: 80 million
Albania: 5,000,000

As we see Albanians and Turks have greatly multiplied in the last century.

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The same goes for you too and all other nations in the world. We are what we are but we are still Greeks and unlike you we can prove our claim, with continuous historical records, our language, common memories etc. In that aspect we are far more pure than you can even dream of.

Ha ha hahahahahahaha continuous historical records ha ha ha ha what memories lol.

You are a joke to intelligence