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    This is my point of view, due to the massive influx of refugees and economic migrants in recent weeks from the Middle East, Asia, Africa etc. It seems the very fabric of European culture and society is put under threat. This situation could eventually change the demographics and face of Europe forever, like the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has warned.

    Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic seem to be at the forefront in guarding the borders. Some international critics argue Orban is too harsh/extreme, but he raises very valid points that should be considered by all of Europe. People should not just think of the present, but of the long-term consequences of what is happening now. European society as we know it seems under threat. It is the sheer scale of the influx which is most concerning. I personally am no xenophobe or racist, but common sense is common sense. Europe just cannot cope with this amount of immigrants, and this is only the present. How will Europe look like in, say, 50 or 100 years from now?

    A cleric (from Lebanon I think?) said that the migrants should "breed with Europeans in order to conquer Europe eventually". Of course that is just inflammatory rhetoric and I have no doubt that the vast majority of refugees are genuine (especially from Syria) and should be helped. But the root causes should be tackled, and soon. I think it is clear by now that the US's previous military adventures in Iraq has left a void waiting to be filled. And in Syria, America's support for the rebels has just prolonged the civil war, which could have been over by now if the US and other countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia did not support the uprising or so-called "Arab Spring". Look at Libya ... it was very stable under Gaddafi, and he was even becoming more mild and tried to mend relations in Europe. What was his reward? Regime change, and his death. Today Libya is a failed state with no functioning government. So, can anyone blame people from trying to flee these nightmare scenarios? I really feel for these refugees. But relocating them all to Europe is not the answer. It is effectively a brain drain on Syria. Who will be left there to rebuild the country after the war has ended?

    Angela Merkel is partially (to a great extent) to blame for the massive increase in refugees wanting to go to Germany. This could change the face of Germany forever. Did she consult with the German people on this very serious matter before inviting them all to come? Her actions are inexplicable and irrational.

    I really can't understand why the US does not want to work with Syria's government in order to get rid if ISIL. Hopefully Putin's initiative to form a broader coalition against these brutal, inhumane terrorists will bear fruit and end the unnecessary civil war.

    So, my point with this thread is that Apricity as a European Cultural Community is a very relevant place for people to discuss Europe's future and its current challenges.
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    Yes, this makes a lot of sense

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    If refugees are to be seen as refugees and not as migrants than they should only be considered a refugee in the first country they choose to enter. If you first enter greece, but then try and get to Germany or Sweden or whatever because of the higher benefits, you are no longer fleeing oppression and are no longer a refugee, but a migrant.

    I'm all for having Europe and the rest of the world take refugees in during their times of need, but not permanently.

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    Refugees - NOT welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
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    I agree in everything else but I am an honest racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan View Post
    If refugees are to be seen as refugees and not as migrants than they should only be considered a refugee in the first country they choose to enter. If you first enter greece, but then try and get to Germany or Sweden or whatever because of the higher benefits, you are no longer fleeing oppression and are no longer a refugee, but a migrant.

    I'm all for having Europe and the rest of the world take refugees in during their times of need, but not permanently.
    99% are illegal economic migrants, they will never leave, every person that is allowed in will turn in to 5-7 more trough breeding and uniting families.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


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    Quote Originally Posted by Äijä View Post
    99% are illegal economic migrants, they will never leave, every person that is allowed in will turn in to 5-7 more trough breeding and uniting families.
    To be fair, many (probably most) of the Syrian refugees are genuine refugees. Their country is falling apart, and it's not their fault. But the West should have seen this coming when they invaded Iraq, and fomented and supported uprisings in Libya and Syria. Now we are paying the price for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    To be fair, many (probably most) of the Syrian refugees are genuine refugees. Their country is falling apart, and it's not their fault. But the West should have seen this coming when they invaded Iraq, and fomented and supported uprisings in Libya and Syria. Now we are paying the price for that.
    But most are not Syrians coming in, 2,5% of the total that have arrived to Finland are Syrians.

    They also sell Syrians passports in Lebanon, most lie where they are from.
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