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    Quote Originally Posted by Poise n Pen View Post
    Because of talk about IE expansion from steppe.
    And what is so controversal/shocking?

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    R1b1a2a1a1c3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    And what is so controversal/shocking?
    Aside from being pure bullshit?

    Well, whatever you think is true it is full of controversy. Controversy as to where the language comes from, controversy for where the dna comes from as well, or if they even have some relation. R1a could come from india or even middle east. R1b almost certainly comes from the west, and is found in 14000 BC in italy for fuck's sake. This does not seem to deter anyone who believes in yamnaya though.

    First wheel is now found in germany from a group that's probably I ydna, and that was the whole reasonin for PIE in the first place. That one group found the wheel and horse and that was how it all spread. But the first wheel by far is now in a totally different place.

    Also take a look at the word tomato. It is very regular across IE languages. But it did not come into play until the 1600s or so. But by PIE language reasoning, our original ancestors would all be tomato farmers.
    If it weren't for us you'd be speaking German. Instead, you'll be speaking Arabic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    N1a P189.2 among Europeans and Serbian clan Piva.
    Avar mongolid left overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Most controversial... hmmm?

    Top 10:

    1. R1 - because everyone want to have it.
    2. J - becasue it is J like Jew.
    3. N - becasue these are Finchurians patologically being ashamed of their own grandpas...
    4. H - like gHypsy
    5. T - noone knows what it is...
    6. E - because noone want to be a Ham...
    7. I - becasue they have OWD
    8. Q - Redskins are fine, but what on earth they are doing here?
    9. G - like great, it means: we were advanced once... once upon a time...
    10. rest of alfabet, no one cares...
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linebacker View Post
    E1b represents the Early Neolithic Expansion and as a whole the Neolithic/Agricultural revolution,when mankind went from strong rogue predator hunter-gatherer that spins the food chain on his pinky finger and kills mammoths with a sharpened stick to a britle,gracilized domesticated farmer who plants food in the ground and sits in one place waiting for it to grow while his body decays.
    G2 introduced farming to E carriers. It is highly likely that very first E carriers that entered Europe through Apennines/Iberia were hunter-gatherers.
    Being from Bulgaria, you have pretty high chances of being E yourself, so I wouldn't shittalk it so much if I was you...
    Anyways, your view on hunting and farming is very romanticized. Farming is certainly more demanding than lifestyle of many hunter-gatherers (Sub-Saharan Africans would be a good example).

    Quote Originally Posted by Poise n Pen View Post
    Well, whatever you think is true it is full of controversy. Controversy as to where the language comes from, controversy for where the dna comes from as well, or if they even have some relation. R1a could come from india or even middle east. R1b almost certainly comes from the west, and is found in 14000 BC in italy for fuck's sake. This does not seem to deter anyone who believes in yamnaya though.
    That R1b found in Villabrunna 14000 B.C. is ancestral to African V88, not to IE R1b. It is clear that R1b (ancestral to IE) was not present in Upper Palaeolithic Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by MONEY View Post
    Avar mongolid left overs
    Highly unlikely. N1a P189.2 is found exclusively in Europe (one NW Montenegrin clan + few Czech/Slovakian families).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    Highly unlikely. N1a P189.2 is found exclusively in Europe (one NW Montenegrin clan + few Czech/Slovakian families).
    It had to came there someway.
    Maybe with Slavs, maybe with Turks, maybe with Magyars,
    maybe with Avars... or on their own in not known times.
    It shows rather a small selfmigrating tribe, who is still small.

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    Eb1b1that is widespread and very ancient
    There is controversy about its first appearance which is more likely to be in modern ethiopia

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    E1b1 overall imo.

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