What is the most controversial haplogroup?

**Ziveth** · 07-10-2017, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Abdelnour

E1b1b, so many famous and infamous people having this haplogroup.

I agree with R also. Please explain to me how a lineage from the mountains of Central Asia/Siberia closest to O, P, and Q could have been of Europoid appearance.

I agree.
And also the haplogroup X, it is very rare.

**Voskos** · 07-13-2017, 12:05 PM

any female y-dna haplogroup

**~~Bobby Martnen~~** · 11-30-2017, 07:28 AM

Probably E1b1b or J

**Medcrown** · 12-03-2017, 04:38 PM

J, those who have it believe it is Greco-Anatolian and European but many paint it as Arab and non-European.

**Grulog** · 03-04-2018, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Styrian Mujo

All J Y-DNA probably. Italians like to say it's neolithic but so far no Neolithic samples had any of the J subclades.

The first appearance of J2 during the Neolithic came in the form of a 10,000 year-old J2b sample from Tepe Abdul Hosein in north-western Iran in what was then the Pre-Pottery Neolithic, but it's origins are (so far as we know) actually earlier. There are two examples of J2a from Iran and Georgia. (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9912)

**~~Bobby Martnen~~** · 03-05-2018, 12:05 AM

R1a, because Rethel.

**Decius** · 03-05-2018, 12:07 AM

R1ethiletes they are Central Asian

**Mingle** · 03-05-2018, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Abdelnour

E1b1b, so many famous and infamous people having this haplogroup.

I agree with R also. Please explain to me how a lineage from the mountains of Central Asia/Siberia closest to O, P, and Q could have been of Europoid appearance.

The parent haplogroup of R and Q is P, which originated in Southeast Asia. So there's a good chance that it's original carriers could have been Mongoloid. But keep in mind that Central Asia and Western Siberia were originally West Eurasian (Caucasoid) and that Amerindians (who mostly have Q) are a third West Eurasian (ANE), so that's why some people say that it could have been Caucasoid.

**~~Rethel~~** · 03-05-2018, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mingle

So there's a good chance that it's original carriers could have been Mongoloid.

Nope, as the only possible admix of the oldest was AmerInd.
BUT if IEs were mongoloid, then who was white? When you find
the answer for that, then you can claim our mongoloidness.

**~~Rethel~~** · 03-05-2018, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Decius

R1ethiletes they are Central Asian

And? What is wrong with Central Asia?

Funny thing is, that there is no, null,
nada, zero aDNA from Central Asia...
But are plenty from Eastern Europe.

Do you use a glass sphere or what?