A question about the Siege of Candia

[Laberia]

By the way Laberia, in case you didn't notice, the Cretans didn't even take part in the fighting according to your own post:

70,000 Ottoman soldiers, 38,000 conscripted Cretans and slaves who labored in the Ottoman siege works.

Fighting is sport for men. They were good as slaves.

[Voskos]

Fighting is sport for men.They were good as slaves.

Exactly.11 pages of BS to blame slaves of collaborating with the Turks.

#ToskAutism

[Laberia]

Exactly.11 pages of BS to blame slaves of collaborating with the Turks.

#ToskAutism

OK Pallkari, i have to go now because i don't intend to to stay all the night with you. Try to give an end to this BS because was you who started.

[Lelex]

Fighting is sport for men. They were good as slaves.

Whoa,take a break from fighting you Internet warrior.

[Herr Abubu]

Wew lad. Remind me what happened back when albania won a match against greece and a crowd of albos went out and tried to hang an albanian flag from the white tower in thessaloniki. (back in 2004 or something, not sure) That's right, they were beaten like dogs by people watching the match from the coffee shops and the cops had to show up before even more shit happened.

The reason people call you names, laugh at you etc is because you act like gypsies in this regard. I won't forget how many times I saw that, an albo at school running his mouth at someone then getting his shit kicked in. One day later he shows up with his 4 brothers and 2 uncles and tries to intimidate the kid. Same shit everywhere. Some of you are alright but the image of the albo trying to act like a gangsta thug, getting beaten up then showing up with 20 people to settle a score will forever remain because it has happened so many times.

And greece never had a mafia. Albanians poured in and started selling guns to everyone. Remember when I was 8 or so at my village some people would buy contraband AKs from albanians since getting a license for a gun in greece takes forever.

Tosks. Ncncncnc.

[The Destroyer]

Talk about derailing a thread.

Anyway, it's worth pointing out that most of the Ottoman commanders here were Bosniaks or Albanians. Bosniaks had 2 admirals (naval commanders - Jusuf Mašković Pasha and Koca Musa Pasha) during the war, 1 grand vizier (effectively prime minister and commander-in-chief, Kara Murat Pasha) and 1 field commander (Ahmed Vojniković Pasha). Albanians had 2 famous grand viziers (Koprulu father and son, Mehmed and Fazil).

Take into account the fact that the Turkish Sultan at the time was a mentally unstable man and it becomes obvious that the Ottomans were led by these 2 nations in this war.

[Journeyman26]

Do you really belive that Ottomans were good in these kinds of linguistic exercises?

I don't know where you have read this. You can assume but based in historical facts. History says Orthodox Church was the most important ally of the Ottomans. The reason was this eternal war against Catholics and West in general. So it's normal that even in this situation this orthodox people were side by side with Ottomans. Another reason is because for this orthodox rayah, the western feudalism was much more harsh than the Ottoman feudalism. This is an fact accepted by all.

Wow, this is a punch under the belt. Let me explain a couple of things. During the Ottoman Empire almost half of Balkanites converted in muslims. But in some country like Greece and Serbia, etc, many of this muslims converted again in christians. So, a part of today greeks are descendants of muslim forefathers.
But this conversion happened for different reasons. The situation was different from one country to another. I can say that nobody in the Balkans fought against the Ottomans like Albanians, from the first day until the last day. I don't have any data about an Greek resistance against the Ottomans during the invasion of Greece. The only resistance in what is today Greece, was albanian resistance. This combined with the demographic data put in serious discussion the existence of the greeks as a nation. Serbs at the beggining fought against the Ottomans, but after the battle of Kosova 1389, which was not an serb-ottoman battle because many Balkanites including Albanians partecipated, well after this battle serbs became the second most important ally of the Ottomans in Balcan. Serbs fought side by side with Ottomans from the highlands of Kelmendi in North Albania to the Gates of the City. The reason why Belgrade, this Southern Hungarian city is today the capital of Serbia, is thanks to this collaboration of Serbs with Ottomans. Serbs fought against everyone in Balkan, Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs, Byzantines, Bulgars.
Ottomans recognised in this occupied territories only the Orthodox Church. And this church ensured to the Ottomans an easy life in this territories.
With Albanians the situation was different. The Ottomans could not forgive to this people the resistance. Was the Albanians who saved Italy from Ottoman invasion. So Albania was invaded by Ottomans and was not an vasal of Ottomans like Serbia. For this reasons mentioned by me and others, the Ottoman rule in Albania was more harsh than in other part of Balkans. And this is the first reason of the conversion of Albanians in Islam. The conversion started among catholics in North Albania. The reasons, appart the harsh rule of the Ottomans were also a total abandonment by the Vatican of this people. Also, Vatican sent in North Albania priests of slav origine who started a process slavisation among this people. The third reason was the powerful serb orthodox church, which with the help of their powerful ally, Ottomans started a process of conversion of this catholics in orthodox and as a direct consequence the slavisation of this Albanians. There are reports of Catholic priests to Vatican who describe exactly this situation. So, in front of this alternatives, converting in orthodoxy accompanied with the ethnic conversion and converting in Islam but preserving the ethnic identity, the Albanians opted for the second.

Do you know how many times during the history the islands of Greece have been emptied and repopulated with every kind of people? Crete is the perfect example of mixing of many populations.

Literally none of the nonsense you ejaculate from your word hole has even a passing resemblance to a rational thought or fact. No one takes your nonsense seriously. I need no further argument than that and won't be responding to any further messages. Enjoy Islam, you sure showed everyone!

[Laberia]

Albania has 5 major races

-Catholic Ghegs.
-Sunni Ghegs of Kosovo
-Sunni Tosks of FYROM
-Orthodox Tosks of Southern Albania, mixed with Vlachs and Greeks to a small extent
-Bektashi Tosks like my friend Laveria, a bastard population descended from Orthodox Labs,exiled Bektashi Jannissaries ,Muslim Greek Vallahades of Epirus and fuck knows what else.

Well, let see what books says PALLKARI from Sfakia, your books:
Illyrio-Vlach tribes descended and settled in Sfakia, Crete:

- ".. Descent of Illyrio-Vlach tribe(s) to Sfakia, Crete... "


Now you have to choose between an Illyrian aryan race or a swarthy vlach, Pallkari from Sfakia.

[Voskos]

Well, let see what books says PALLKARI from Sfakia, your books:
Illyrio-Vlach tribes descended and settled in Sfakia, Crete:

- ".. Descent of Illyrio-Vlach tribe(s) to Sfakia, Crete... "


Now you have to choose between an Illyrian aryan race or a swarthy vlach, Pallkari from Sfakia.

I'm fine with both. Ever wondered why said text says Illyro-Vlach though? Maybe because they have merged into one race?

[Laberia]

I'm fine with both. Ever wondered why said text says Illyro-Vlach though? Maybe because they have merged into one race?

Yep, what i have said to you? Crete is the biggest melting pot in Mediterranean sea. I will be back with other interesting informations about your island, but for the moment read this, again from your sources:
http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=480
Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern greeks are just an intermixture of balkan tribes (albanians/arvanites, slavs, wlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern africans, armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.

P. S.
More Pallkari, so you are originary from my balls?