Cro-Magnon closer to Bronze Greece ??

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I cant find better example for modern cro-magnon than this greek man :


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I cant find better example for modern cro-magnon than this greek man :


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That man looks nothing whatever like Cro Magnon 1, the Old Man of Les Eyzies.






This is the forensic reconstruction of that skull:





Note especially, the low facial index the skull, the extreme breadth of the mandible, and the flaring cheekbones (which look less prominent than they should be due to postmortem fracturing). The man in your photo has a high facial index and an especially long face, no cheekbone prominence, etc.

A good example of someone who looks like a Cro Magnon would be this person:




Or this man:



Or this man:




You can imagine these people as Cro Magnon, but the Cro Magnons likely had blue-black skin coloration.

Not a single one of them is Greek, BTW.

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" This is the forensic reconstruction of that skull "

They made them Brachycephalic but the skull look Dolichocephalic , i dont believe its accurate.

Also Cro-Magnon supposed to be Dolicochephalic and not Mongols like your photo.
Especially the first 2 are mongols , what's goin on???

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Cro-Magnon 1 / Les Eyzies 1 is not UP, it is actually radiocarbon dated to only 700 years B.P, so it most likely belonged to some medieval Frenchman: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/...822(13)00215-7

So much about retarded "anthropologists" (a disgrace for whole science branch) reconstructing him as a wog, and for guys like Petalpusher claiming he's "not similar" to modern Europeans, while more recent UP/Meso guys "are similar", showing that they know nothing about anthropology, only what mainstream pseudo-genetics serve them.

Baltic-area populations are the morphologically closest to Paleolithic skeleton morphology,and also genetically,Baltic people are the least Neolithic influenced people on the planet.

Greeks on the other hand,are almost fully Neolithic,and part SSA.

Baltic areas are mostly Baltid and Nordid, with unreduced CM types quite rare and found here and there ocasionally.

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Baltic areas are mostly Baltid and Nordid, with unreduced CM types quite rare and found here and there ocasionally.

Baltid IS CM

Northeastern European Cro-Magnoid type (ancestrally related to the Dalo-Falid and Brünn types of the northwest),

Baltids vary in stature, but are generally relatively tall, and moderately pyknomorphic in build. The head is moderately brachycephalic and rounded, with few visible cranial transitions. The forehead is high and broad, and only moderately curved, and the browridges tend towards heaviness in a typically Cro-Magnoid fashion. The face is moderately high, and the facial index is mesoprosopic, verging on eury- rather than leptoprosopy. The bizygomatic diameter is only moderately large, but large enough to render the impression, in concurrence with the great width and angularity of the jaw, of a characteristic facial squareness or rectangularity

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Baltid IS CM

Please quote some anthropologist, not SNPA.
Baltid type (i.e. East Baltic, as there is only one Baltid type) is derivative of basal Ladogan type, strongly mixed with Hallstatt (Iron Age) Nordic, Corded Nordic, and western CMs. Ladogan type is CM mixed with some partially mongoloid brachycephalic element in NE Europe, long time ago.
So, I would estimate unreduced CM element in an average Baltid to be roughly around 60%. It can be more or less though, because Baltid is not a stable basal type, but a blend, so either basal Ladogan (which contains some CM itself), Hallstatt, Corded, or CM element can sometimes pronounce itself stronger than others.

(4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States.
(TRoE, chapter VIII, section 6)

From East Baltic plates:
Fig. 5 (3 views). A Finn from Tampere, Tavastehus. This man seems to show more evidence of Nordic influence than the others. As these pictures show, the East Baltic is not a stable or a basic racial type, but a variable blend.

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SNPA contains data from Coon's work,basically the father European Typology and Racial Anthropology.

Anyone else's writings is just armchair work with no credibility.Coon actually travelled Europe and based his writings on observing and measuring thousands of people.

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SNPA contains data from Coon's work,basically the father European Typology and Racial Anthropology.

Anyone else's writings is just armchair work with no credibility.Coon actually travelled Europe and based his writings on observing and measuring thousands of people.

SNPA contains inventions of guys like Agrippa. I feel the same way on Coon's work, and I just posted quote directly from his book right above. He said himself Baltid is derivative of basal Ladogan type strongly mixed with Hallstatt Nordid, Corded Nordid, and western CM, hence average unreduced CM element in Baltids is probably like 60%. Read above.

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Baltid IS CM

Totally different than CM , CM were Dolichocephalic like the photo of the man i posted above.

How you classified him ??

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" This is the forensic reconstruction of that skull "

They made them Brachycephalic but the skull look Dolichocephalic , i dont believe its accurate.

Also Cro-Magnon supposed to be Dolicochephalic and not Mongols like your photo.
Especially the first 2 are mongols , what's goin on???

Brachycephaly is a class of cephalic index. The cephalic index is the relationship between the breadth and the length of a cranial vault. It's a ratio. You cannot tell if a person is brachycephalic just by looking at their anterior cranium. A person can be both broad headed and dolicocephalic. Cro Magnon 1 is one such skull. It is dolicocephaic only because of its excessive maximum head length. There are no Mongols in the pictures I posted. The first one is a German, the second one is a Bulgarian Turk.