Russian war history

[Jehan]

Care to give an example of such war?

In another thread, I said russians win most of their war in history due to the fact they outnumbered their ennemy. It's an impression I get, but I might be wrong.
Let's talk about it here to not destroy the other thread.



I pick random war on wiki to check.

*Russo georgian war in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
More than 70 000 russians (+ air support + special troops + south ossetians and abkhaze force) VS less than 30 000 georgian troops (not all soldiers)



* Second chechenian wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
around 80 000 russians soldiers VS 22 000 to 30 000 chechenians.




* First chechenian wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
70 000 russians VS the numbers is differents according to the source, according to russians 20 000 to 40 000.




* Soviet-Afghan war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
115 000 soviets (+ 55 000 from afghan supports) VS 200 000 to 250 000 mujhadeens.


*Battle of Kursk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

Soviet
Operation Citadel:
1,910,361 men[6]
5,128 tanks[6]
25,013 guns and mortars[3]

Soviet counteroffensive phase:
2,500,000 men[6]
7,360 tanks[6]
47,416 guns and mortars[4]

2,792[7][c] to 3,549[8][d] aircraft

Nazi
Operation Citadel:
780,900 men[2]
2,928 tanks[2]
9,966 guns and mortars[3]

Soviet counteroffensive phase:
940,900 men[2]
3,253 tanks[2]
9,467 guns and mortars[4]
2,110 aircraft[5]


In all most/all battle of the WWII after 1943, Soviet outnumbered nazis by a large amount of soldiers.


* Russo japanese war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
500 000 to 1 millions russians VS 300 000 to 500 000 japaneses



* Crimean war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
920 000 troops (French, Turks, Britishs) VS 700 000 russians
For this one russians were in inferiority numbers, but when we looks at causality, russians had twice more casualitys than others. Also crimean wars might not be a good exemple as most of the men die from sickness and not from battle.


* Russo- turkish war (1828-1829) Russo-Turkish War (1828–29)
100 000 russians VS 150 000 ottomans

Russians victory in inferiority numbers.



* French invasion of russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
685 000 frenchs (and allys) VS 900 000 russians




* Finnish war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War
95 000 russians VS 36 000 swedishs


*Russo-Swedish War (1656–58) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-...56%E2%80%9358)
25 000 swedish soldiers (at the end) VS 42 000 - 45 000 russians soldiers




Of course I didn't made all the wars in history but I don't think, I randomly only fall on battle/war when russians were in numbers superiority.
But it give us an idea of the situation.

[Bezprym]

Yes, they were winning basically because of numbers and leadership did not gave a single damn about individuals life. Soldiers were only a tool. You should take into account for instance, how many soldiers the Soviets had in the Red Army and compare it to the number of casualties on their side.

But they weren't always winning, don't worry.

[Jehan]

Nobody really answear this thread?

Well my summary isn't really clear but the topic is interesting.

[Sebastianus Rex]

It seems to be the case, most military experts agree that manpower superiority usually helps.

[Laberia]

I think Bezprym explained very well.
For example, Germans during the WWII were much more advanced but Russians had the numbers. The WWII was maybe the last war where the quantity won against quality. With the invention of the nuke, the war is totally a different thing.

[Infinite]

I think Bezprym explained very well.
For example, Germans during the WWII were much more advanced but Russians had the numbers. The WWII was maybe the last war where the quantity won against quality. With the invention of the nuke, the war is totally a different thing.

What you said is true, if only Germans didnt fight both sides. If they didn't , they could have won against Russia without a doubt.

[glass]

In another thread, I said russians win most of their war in history due to the fact they outnumbered their ennemy. It's an impression I get, but I might be wrong.
Let's talk about it here to not destroy the other thread.

Yes you are wrong

*Russo georgian war in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
More than 70 000 russians (+ air support + special troops + south ossetians and abkhaze force) VS less than 30 000 georgian troops (not all soldiers)

And how many actually participated?

500 000 to 1 millions russians VS 300 000 to 500 000 japaneses

You own link says otherwise

* Crimean war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
920 000 troops (French, Turks, Britishs) VS 700 000 russians
For this one russians were in inferiority numbers, but when we looks at causality, russians had twice more casualitys than others. Also crimean wars might not be a good exemple as most of the men die from sickness and not from battle.

Even you own link says russians lost 143k dead versus 213-290k on other side

* French invasion of russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
685 000 frenchs (and allys) VS 900 000 russians

Invasion army versus soldiers and militia at peak across whole country. Also look at death toll

Keep dreaming, losers always try to find good excuse why did they lose.

they could have won against Russia without a doubt.

No they could not win military conflict by any mean. They managed to advance only because of incompetent command and poor moral among soldiers who did not want to fight for soviets and prefered to lay down weapons. THeir only way to win was to please population unwilling to defend bolsheviks which they miserably failed.

[Sokoli]

In another thread, I said russians win most of their war in history due to the fact they outnumbered their ennemy.

You can say the same for Americans too. When was the last time they fought with someone of their size?

[Jehan]

You can say the same for Americans too. When was the last time they fought with someone of their size?

Probably the Korean war.
The difference is that US have far better ratio death/kill.
It might be a question of technology but US seems to manage there war. They kill and cause more damages than they suffers.

In the case of russians, they outnumber the ennemies, suffers far more death and win at the end because they have the human capacity to send some fresh troops again. Until the ennemies crack down.

[Sokoli]

Probably the Korean war.
The difference is that US have far better ratio death/kill.
It might be a question of technology but US seems to manage there war. They kill and cause more damages than they suffers.

In the case of russians, they outnumber the ennemies, suffers far more death and win at the end because they have the human capacity to send some fresh troops again. Until the ennemies crack down.

Um, North Korea is twice as small as South Korea, that US was protecting, and ten times smaller than US. I said, when was the last time US fought against a nation of a comparable size.