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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    They did, japanese were decisively defeated, after those defeats they switched direction of the expansion to south-east Asia and Pacific Ocean. Those borders conflicts proven soviet combat superiority over japanese army.
    In this case there must be plan of occupation of Russia in 1938-1939. Can you show it?

    There was not any hard war in China, japanese quickly took control over coastal areas and created Manchurian puppet state. After that they did not try to expand any futher, despite ongoing civilian war in China.
    From 30 Japan divisions that tooke a part in the war on continent only 1.5-2 divisions were fighting vs USSR.


    They tried to expand to Siberia and got beaten.
    No the didn't

    Ahahaha, you should not think that american tactic to outnumber japanese 5-10 to 1 was universally used against them. Superior army forces, like Red Army did not need that.
    Red army had superiority over Japan twice in manpower and artillery, and 4 times in tanks. In spite of huge advantage there were losses about 1 to 1. and about 300 tanks and armoured vehicles, half of the total!!! That says about nod good quality of Soviet army.

    BTW. One more evidence that Japan was not going to wage war on the continent initially is the small number of tanks. Japan army was preparing to war in Pacific where specific type of terrain (islands and forests) is not good for tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomas View Post
    In this case there must be plan of occupation of Russia in 1938-1939. Can you show it?
    THere is no plans of occupation of Russia, initially they wanted to annex territories up to Baikal lake. If you did read article i linked u would know that Japan was aggressor, while Soviets defenders. After pretty largehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol Japan and SU signed neitrality pact, which Japan honored till the end of ww2.
    From 30 Japan divisions that tooke a part in the war on continent only 1.5-2 divisions were fighting vs USSR.
    Japanese had up to million soldiers in Manchuria in 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...n_of_Manchuria
    Does it mean that fighting with US was of minor importance?
    No the didn't
    They did attack Soviet Union and its ally/client Mongolia numerous times. Every attack was repelled. That is attempt to expands right? You should understand that "official" declaration of war is purely european things. Asians did not had such customs, they were just mounting invasions at will. And called it "incidents" afterwards.
    Red army had superiority over Japan twice in manpower and artillery, and 4 times in tanks. In spite of huge advantage there were losses about 1 to 1. and about 300 tanks and armoured vehicles, half of the total!!! That says about nod good quality of Soviet army.
    It does not change the simple fact that Soviets won and japanese lost. Keep in mind that neither soviet troops no soviet vehicles did not have any combat experience, unlike their japanese counterpart. New non tested vehicles surely had low reliabilty.

    BTW. One more evidence that Japan was not going to wage war on the continent initially is the small number of tanks. Japan army was preparing to war in Pacific where specific type of terrain (islands and forests) is not good for tanks.
    Japanese had small industrial base and also more focused on courage and fighting spirit than equipment. They boosted tank production after conflicts with Soviet Army though. Anyway, if you look at history of japanese militarism in 20 centuryyou would how expanded. Korea > Manchuria > China > Soviet Union (failed) > South East Asia > US (failed). US were last in the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profileid View Post
    It has military and industrial power,but that is only one aspect of it. I'm talking about cultural influence and what companies from that country are actually able to produce.

    Does China have any home developed car brands that have the market penetration of Honda,Mistubishi,Toyota or Mazda? People associate Japanese products with quality.
    While Japan isn't in the state it was in the 1980s, it's still nothing to scoff at.
    China is notorious for infringing on intellectual property rights. They don't give a fuck. They take the product apart to see how it works and then make a counterfeit. They slap the legitimate company's label on the product and sell it to the locals. It's a serious issue that won't be resolved any time soon because the Chinese government encourages the behavior.

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    We need a Sakuraba moment if I didn't already post one in this thread.



    Maybe I'm racist but I always enjoy seeing Brazilians get beat up. Find a Brazilian who doesn't cheat is like finding an Apple product in China that isn't a counterfeit.

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