the forbidden fruit = human ego

[revealman]

Before the fall of mankind, all humans lived in egalitarian societies without egocentrism, hierarchies and class warfare. After Satan tempted Eve to eat from the forbidden fruit(left brain intellect) mankind changed from bicameral egoless innocents to left brained egocentric thinker and cain started the first sedentary agricultural society (babylon) which began the history of slavery, hierarchy, industrailisation, imperialism, dualistic thinking, inequalty, greed, shame and other evils as written in the bible..

Our left brain can verbalize and have thoughts; the right brain cannot.

When humans emerged from Nature, we emerged from a vision-based world that we shared with animals. Certainly sounds were important, but not nearly as important as vision in establishing the reality of the world around us. The sense of vision was essential for all navigation within the environment, and for identifying all of the essentials for living and survival such as finding food, avoiding danger, and identifying a mate. The left brain thoughts of humans became mapped on top of the right brain world from which we came; and which had previously completely represented the reality of the world in which we had always survived. The thoughts came from within – they came from and represented the “self” from the right brain. The left brain awareness of the right brain awareness of “self”, has become the human ego. Animals don’t have an ego, they only have an awareness of “self”.



Figure. The mapping of the left brain thinking (“Ego”) on top of the right brain concept of “Self”. The deepest sense of “self” comes from the non-verbal and visually based cognition. Our thinking “ego” is the verbal overlay on the pre-existing visual sense of “self”.

The story of Adam and Eve begins in the Garden of Eden, where we are at one with nature. There are two named trees in the garden: the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. We can eat freely from the Tree of Life. At this point, we are harmonious with nature in a visually based world without words. Up until this point in time we have not developed thinking ability or human ego and do not see ourselves as separate from the environment around us. This was almost certainly the state of living things prior to development of human speech. Adam could eat freely from the Tree of Life and continue to be in harmony with and a part of nature. He could walk without clothes and not be ashamed – he could not “think” about the fact he was naked. In nature, prior to thinking and human ego, there was no judgment of good or bad. In nature, everything just exists. Thinking and human ego must be present in order to make judgment.

Before thinking and human ego, we were harmonious with nature and lived freely, equally and non-judgmentally with all other living things.

When we were part of nature, we did not make judgments between good and bad. However, as soon as we ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we separated ourselves from nature. Prior to the development of human ego (i.e. eating the fruit) there was no right or wrong. There is no right or wrong in nature – things just are.

Only humans are able to think and therefore to judge – and this is a major attribute that separates us from the animals. Development of judgment coincided with development of human thinking consciousness and ego. The ability to judge, or the Knowledge of Good and Evil which we obtained by eating the fruit, is a trait that gave us the ability of God: “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil”, Gen 3: 22.

And, what is the penalty that comes along with this God-like Knowledge of Good and Evil (or ability to Judge)? It is death!

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Gen. 2:17.

The creatures in nature do not have thinking consciousness or ego – hence they do not understand or fear death. Life just IS. Animals will do everything possible to avoid death because of the survival instinct, but they do not know that they will die some day and they cannot think about it. Humans fear death because we have thinking ability and an ego that separates us from nature. Our thinking ability and human ego are so strong that they necessarily lead us to a knowledge that we will die. The knowledge that we will die is terrifying to our ego, because our ego feels so palpable and permanent to us.

“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.” Gen. 3:7.

“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the Tree of Life.” Gen 3: 22-24.

In nature there is little concept of life and death. Living things just exist – without human ego there is no sense of a beginning or end to life. Life just is. When in the Garden of Eden, we could eat freely of the Tree of Life. But when we developed thinking and human ego we became separated from nature. We could no longer eat of the Tree of Life – we became aware of our own mortality and were forevermore banned from experiencing life without death. Life was no longer harmonious.

[revealman]

Along with the gradual shift to agriculture came a transformation in human attitudes toward nature. Hunting accords with a view of other animals as equals. After all, nature works that way—some eat and some are eaten—and the human hunter is doing nothing different from animal hunters. Domestication imposes a hierarchy onto the interspecies relationship, as man becomes lord and master of the animals. Understandably, this relationship is then projected onto the whole of nature, which becomes in its entirety the object of domestication and control. The farmer’s new relationship with nature engendered a new conception of the divine. As agriculture and other technology removed humans from nature, so also did the gods become supernatural rather than natural beings. The process was a gradual one, starting with ancient pantheons closely identified with natural forces. Gradually, identity evolved into rulership as the gods were abstracted out of nature, eventually resulting in the Newtonian watchmaker God completely separate from the earthly (the natural) realm. At the same time, as we lost touch with nature’s harmonies and cycles, the gods took on the capricious character exemplified by the Greek pantheon and the Old Testament. Accordingly, the gods must be propitiated, kept happy through the offering of sacrifices, a practice found in most ancient farming and herding cultures but not among hunters.

The angry God that arose in early civilizations is also linked to the concept of good and evil and the concept of sin. The corn is good, the weeds are bad. The bees are good, the locusts bad. The sheep are good, the wolves bad. Technology overcomes nature by promoting the good and controlling the bad. As for nature, so also for human nature. The self is divided into two parts, a good part and a bad part, the latter of which we overcome with the controlling technologies of culture.

Whereas hunter-gatherers could easily adapt to all the vicissitudes of the local climate, farmers were at the mercy of drought, hail, locusts, and other threats to a successful harvest. While the resources of hunter-gatherers were virtually unlimited and their population fairly stable, agricultural civilizations experienced famines, epidemics, and wars that decimated whole populations and defied any attempt at prevention. Here was a source of constant, inescapable anxiety woven into the fabric of life itself—no matter how successful this year’s harvest, what of next year?—as well as a motivation for the increased understanding and control represented, respectively, in science and technology. Scarcity and the threat of scarcity is implicit in the attempted mastery of nature. Jockeying for position in the face of scarcity, we endure an endlessly intensifying competitiveness that is built into our system of money, our understanding of biology, and our assumptions about human nature. https://aspergerhuman.wordpress.com/...es-eisenstein/

[Casandrinos]

Interesting approach.

Understanding nature is probably the best thing we can do, and even then the human Ego will inevitably fuck it up.

[revealman]

Interesting approach.

Understanding nature is probably the best thing we can do, and even then the human Ego will inevitably fuck it up.

yeah modern narcissitic egocentric man thinks he is the center of the universe, has no respect for nature and thinks in his arrogance that he can overcome nature and improve himself by technology and transhumanism and overcome death. he thinks by technology he can control the universe and nature and become GOD himself!... he thinks he can become immortal and become god himself! (sounds like the story of lucifer from the bible, remember it all started with agriculture, mans first attempt to control nature and animals, which gradually evolved into manipulating other humans, weather, environment, dna etc.)

men are feminised and women are masculated. races and species are mixed. human genes are mixed with pigs. cloning is the immaculate conception – virgin birth. man plays god and creates hell on earth. but don’t worry – "technology will save you". you could make a clone of yourself and use him for spare organs – kind of like having a spare parts car in your backyard.

this is the true fall of man – when he stopped having respect for nature because he saw himself as separate and inevitably above nature

e gradual(fall of mankind) where man left garden eden(nature) to start first agricultural societies which started to play god (pharaohs, pharmers, farmers, popes) and attempts to gain control over nature... become godlike



“It would indeed be the ultimate tragedy if the history of human race proved to be nothing more noble than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump” – David Ormsby-Gore.

civilizations rise and fall in the natural flow of nature where death and rebirth are in balance. the cycle of generation/degeneration is repeated from egypt to babylon to rome and now, consciously and deliberately across the whole world. all attempts at ‘perfecting’ man and creating utopia and overcome death have and will fail.. man is not allmighty and nature wins

[wvwvw]

Ego is a Greek word and means self, selfish. It does not mean intellect. The forbidden fruit is our selfish self.
Logos is God, intellect, So God is intelligence. Logic derives from logos. Logos is the Greek term translated as “word,” “speech,” “principle,” or “thought.” In Greek philosophy, it also referred to a universal, divine reason or the mind of God. Logos (intelligence, logic) came to be viewed as a force sent from God.

"In the begiining there was Logos and Logos was with God and the God was logos"

"Our minds are led by the spirit we are entertaining, the spirit of God or the spirit of the devil -- self. This spiritual force of selfishness is "the false god" referred to as "Satan". It is humanity's collective consciousness of rebellion against God. This collective consciousness of rebellion is manifested as self-centeredness, self-gratification, self-seeking, self-righteousness, self-glorification, self-consciousness, self-indulgence, self-deception, self-serving, self-condemnation, self-absorbed, self-importance, selfishness, SELF. It is the force of the unevolved animalistic nature (the "beast") within human beings. Satan is the unregenerated lower self that wars against the Higher Self within every human being. Jesus, on the other hand, went to the cross to fulfill his mission of showing humans the way to overcome (metaphorically "crucify") their lower nature. Through a person's Higher Self of unconditional love (the manifestation of God) a person can attain at-one-ment with the divine nature within. This Higher Self is the Spirit of self-sacrifice, self-denial, selflessness, self-effacing, self-discipline, self-control, self-restraint, self-respect -- the divine self which is a part of God and wars against the lower self." (Edgar Cayce)

[Unome]

Ego means self/selfishness, and is not necessarily good/bad.

Knowledge of good and evil, morality, judgment, and reason are all rare in humanity and throughout the world. Moral judgments, exemplified by humanity, puts humanity in a realm far, far above other animals who lack evolution, breed, intelligence, and language. Humans have the rare attribute of severely advanced communication, verbally and specifically in written language: text, scripture, literature, etc.

Literacy allows humans to pass a message, not only across the world in seconds, but also across 100s and 1000s of years. A man can send a message "to the future" using text and pass a message to descendants not yet realized or given birth. This gives humanity a leverage over other animals, putting humanity in a level too far above other animal hierarchies.

However the history of textual advancement has periods of progress and regress. The Bible, religious scripture, censorship, Catholicism and Protestantism, these all played huge roles in advancing texts and literature of the future. The Church establishments, especially Christianity in European history, carefully controlled and regulated all of it. So in a way religions have created a 'block' and blockades around free-thoughts, free speech, and literature deemed dangerous to the establishment.

Coming back to the point, humanity now has evidence of the collective human ability of moral judgments and authorities (The Gods), over time. If humans don't understand, and refuse to understand these topics (morality, judgment, reason, good/evil) then they will remain more similar to animals than the humans who have invested in distinction, resulting in Nobility, Honor, and the Prouder societies of humanity. Thus some humans shine throughout history while most are left behind, forgotten, in the dirt. Nobility is an easy distinction to make. Humans instinctively know, and rally behind, those who are Noble. Because Nobility is tapping into these moral wisdoms, collective human knowledge, what people refer to as "Humanity, Humanitarianism, and Human Spirit".

There is volumes and volumes more to be said about Moral Judgments, which is the foundation and basis of Moral Authority (godliness and spirituality).

[revealman]

Ego is a Greek word and means self, selfish. It does not mean intellect. The forbidden fruit is our selfish self.
Logos is God, intellect, So God is intelligence, logic also derives from logos.

"In the begiining there was Logos and Logos was with God and the God was logos"

"Our minds are led by the spirit we are entertaining, the spirit of God or the spirit of the devil -- self. This spiritual force of selfishness is "the false god" referred to as "Satan". It is humanity's collective consciousness of rebellion against God. This collective consciousness of rebellion is manifested as self-centeredness, self-gratification, self-seeking, self-righteousness, self-glorification, self-consciousness, self-indulgence, self-deception, self-serving, self-condemnation, self-absorbed, self-importance, selfishness, SELF. It is the force of the unevolved animalistic nature (the "beast") within human beings. Satan is the unregenerated lower self that wars against the Higher Self within every human being. Jesus, on the other hand, went to the cross to fulfill his mission of showing humans the way to overcome (metaphorically "crucify") their lower nature. Through a person's Higher Self of unconditional love (the manifestation of God) a person can attain at-one-ment with the divine nature within. This Higher Self is the Spirit of self-sacrifice, self-denial, selflessness, self-effacing, self-discipline, self-control, self-restraint, self-respect -- the divine self which is a part of God and wars against the lower self." (Edgar Cayce)

but it is precisely this "selflessness", which those power hungry wolves in positions are exploiting.!

nature teaches us to follow leaders who have our best interests in mind. however, toxic religion and rampant consumerism have seen to it that we are disassociated from nature and reality. now, our present leaders are the most corrupt in the history of the world. the masses have been corrupted to the point where degeneracy is the norm. this double-edged sword is what keeps the evil empire rolling. a public who cares for little other than money, crap, frivolity and cheap thrills does not notice moral degeneracy and corruption. this plague is brought on mainly through the mass media

the farmer(pope/pharaoh/president) does not tell his cattle that they are to be slaughtered, they would produce no milk nor would they gain the weight required for the table


the one thing the elite require for their power to continue...is your total and complete compliance, they need you all to take part in their systems, stop playing along, and the game ends. it is that simple. if many people began to act in this way, all the kings’ horses and all the kings’ men could do nothing. the whole of what we call civilisation and culture is controlled by keeping mans energies focused to the three lower chakras beneath the heart, (beast/animal mind/r-complex) made so because these three are below the heart chakra therefore cancelling out love/conscience/compassion/egolessness

[wvwvw]

The phrase "In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god" belonged to Apollonius and was reprinted in the Bible 300 years later.

[revealman]

Ego means self/selfishness, and is not necessarily good/bad.

Knowledge of good and evil, morality, judgment, and reason are all rare in humanity and throughout the world. Moral judgments, exemplified by humanity, puts humanity in a realm far, far above other animals who lack evolution, breed, intelligence, and language. Humans have the rare attribute of severely advanced communication, verbally and specifically in written language: text, scripture, literature, etc.

Literacy allows humans to pass a message, not only across the world in seconds, but also across 100s and 1000s of years. A man can send a message "to the future" using text and pass a message to descendants not yet realized or given birth. This gives humanity a leverage over other animals, putting humanity in a level too far above other animal hierarchies.

However the history of textual advancement has periods of progress and regress. The Bible, religious scripture, censorship, Catholicism and Protestantism, these all played huge roles in advancing texts and literature of the future. The Church establishments, especially Christianity in European history, carefully controlled and regulated all of it. So in a way religions have created a 'block' and blockades around free-thoughts, free speech, and literature deemed dangerous to the establishment.

Coming back to the point, humanity now has evidence of the collective human ability of moral judgments and authorities (The Gods), over time. If humans don't understand, and refuse to understand these topics (morality, judgment, reason, good/evil) then they will remain more similar to animals than the humans who have invested in distinction, resulting in Nobility, Honor, and the Prouder societies of humanity. Thus some humans shine throughout history while most are left behind, forgotten, in the dirt. Nobility is an easy distinction to make. Humans instinctively know, and rally behind, those who are Noble. Because Nobility is tapping into these moral wisdoms, collective human knowledge, what people refer to as "Humanity, Humanitarianism, and Human Spirit".

There is volumes and volumes more to be said about Moral Judgments, which is the foundation and basis of Moral Authority (godliness and spirituality).

on this topic i offer you a great article on the judgemental flaws of verbal communication(words are not reality and only distort it, precisely this faulty assumption that words/verbal thinking/left brain, can describe reality better than visual thinking, led to the dualistic worldview with its faulty judgements on what is right or wrong )... you also prove my point of this thread, that the ego/left brained verbal thinking puts labels on everything and thinks one human is more noble than another(perfect example of hierarchical thinking)

anyways back to the article, here you go:

Modern social humans love the lenience given them by believing in a universe built by words: beliefs, behaviors, it’s all “relative.” No one is right; no one is wrong. It’s “all good.” Until someone starts shooting. That’s real, and words can’t disguise dead bodies lying in the street, or can they? Unfortunately, the social pyramid doesn’t release one at death: the dead are assigned their proper places on the social pyramid, just as they were in Ancient Egypt.
The fight continues over which dead humans count, because this insane word-world applies status to corpses.

Children are told white lies to soften the loss of death until they are old enough to understand, but does this prolongation of denial ever end? In the mind of a modern social human, the dead are never dead. In the extreme case they are looking down from heaven; providing windfalls and interventions; shoving cars out of the way in near-miss accidents or telepathically dictating winning lottery numbers. As a normal matter of course, the dead hear everything said or thought by their left-behind friends and family and join in on holidays, birthdays and graduation celebrations.

https://aspergerhuman.wordpress.com/...s-dead-people/

There is a glitch in the human language system: it’s as if the brain is confused by its ability to use language, as if we experience the words as a message from a dimension outside reality – a supernatural dimension. Language creates ideas (the supernatural dimension) and manipulates thought: modern humans believe that words create reality. So strong is this illusion, that people make decisions based on utterly insubstantial and incorrect social, economic, religious, nutritional, political and health concepts. This has serious and devastating real world consequences.

https://aspergerhuman.wordpress.com/...word-syndrome/

[revealman]

The phrase "In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god" belonged to Apollonius and was reprinted in the Bible 300 years later.

i know logos means logic not word the universe is logical, mathematical as nikola tesla and einstein confirmed.. everything is made of nummbers(phi, golden ratio) the power of 3-6-9