Shenzhen Maker Culture

[knowledge is king]

In fact many technologies so much promoted as national achievements by chinese government are just a compilation of stolen technologies and a systematic exploitation of it, going to chinese booshops, 90% scientific textbooks are western or japanese, chinese government uses extensive subsidies as agencies for scientific developments, most of the materials used for teaching and modelling are not chinese. Chinese should not get the conceit that they always develop everything alone. But in China, monopolized media always talk irrationally and deceptively in order to instigate ignorant pride and support for whatever government may do, just never ask right or wrong. Never say to strengthen a country at all cost, this kind of excuse is also a declaration of civil war, the power of a regime is nothing but vain stupidity, it was the kings stupidty, and now is it peoples to turn to become a stupid king too? Where the biggest hypocrasy? When it comes to philosophical debates, Marxism would not stand a second, it is not even a adequate philosophical opponent, it is just a pure stupidty of a for vested-interest occasional liar.

I do not care about whether China develops these technologies alone or not, or how strong it is now, it is simply stupid, how come every day they shove this kind of garbages onto people, this is terrible.

What are you talking about?
Chinese civilization produced most major fundamental inventions that shaped whole history of human kind. It is hard to me to count them all. Let pick for instance gunpowder, rice cultivation and paper printing.
In combination with all major breakthrough in engineering it was one of the most contributable in whole history of humanity overall.
How can reasonable person, who being chinese yourself, can deny that? Your claims sounds like a resentment of shortsighted japanese traitor to me.

But situation is opposite in fact, it was entire history of Japan that was written in chinese texts.

[zhaoyun]

What are you talking about?
Chinese civilization produced most major fundamental inventions that shaped whole history of human kind. It is hard to me to count them all. Let pick for instance gunpowder, rice cultivation and paper printing.
In combination with all major breakthrough in engineering it was one the most contributable in whole history of humanity overall.
How can reasonable person, who being chinese yourself, can deny that? Your claims sounds like a resentments of shortsighted japanese traitor to me.

But situation is opposite in fact, it was entire history of Japan that was written in chinese texts.

Well, he is an ethnic Zhuang minority, I don't know if he is resentful of the PRC govt. because of that. I know that the Zhuang for the most part, are generally not like that. But anyways, his views are generally weird and not mainstream. But you have individuals like that everywhere, I've come across plenty of Americans who hate everything about American society and government and they are real downers. Always pessimistic, thinking the world is going to collapse tomorrow. There's actually plenty of people like that on this board.

[zhaoyun]

I'm pretty sure that Hong Kong will fall into irrelevance and then be absorbed by Shenzhen.

I don't know about being absorbed by Shenzhen, but certainly HK's function and relevance is rapidly changing. That is the primary cause of the tensions in Hong Kong, because the locals can't accept this fact. The reality is that the only reason HK became a big financial hub was because Shanghai fell to the Communists and China was closed off, so HK became China's de facto link to the outside world. But Hong Kongers started to adopt this mentality that they were somehow just naturally superior to people from Mainland China, and they felt entitled to it. Now things are changing fast, and they are full of resentment.

Even though HK is a very cosmopolitan city, it's people are actually one of the most racist, most narrow minded, most small minded, cliquish, nastiest people on earth. That's why I could fucking care less about what happens to that city.

The Taiwanese, on the other hand, are generally overly nice and down to earth people though.

[StonyArabia]

China today is like Africa in 800,000BC with money and military, somehow I feel most chinese do not deserve a functioning brain. The saddest thing is to develop science without learning the art of civility, the negro tribalism is more advance than communist China. Ddevelopment of chinese science will do more harm than good to humanity and ecology, mongols conquered and laid to waste of almost all Eurasia with the supposed technological helps from soulless scums in ancient China, destroyed all cultural and demographic diversities that accumulated for 2 thousand years all around them. I sincerely hope China can return to the agricultural society.

The mongols were indeed barbaric they destroyed Baghdad one of the jewels of the world. They also killed the Khwarzem iranic people's who had splendor civilization.

[Hexachordia]

What are you talking about?
Chinese civilization produced most major fundamental inventions that shaped whole history of human kind. It is hard to me to count them all. Let pick for instance gunpowder, rice cultivation and paper printing.
In combination with all major breakthrough in engineering it was one of the most contributable in whole history of humanity overall.
How can reasonable person, who being chinese yourself, can deny that? Your claims sounds like a resentment of shortsighted japanese traitor to me.

But situation is opposite in fact, it was entire history of Japan that was written in chinese texts.

The much popularized propaganda of the 4 Great Inventions of China, paper, compass, gunpowder, printing have been debunked by chinese posters, I may cite their points here, for example the case about paper, the chinese poster says: 以前，蔡伦一直被视为造纸术的发明者，后来发现了更早的纸以后，于是就改称其为造纸术的改进者，但是仍然被 看作是该发明最重要的关键人物，因为其开创了使用树皮，破布，麻头，鱼网来造纸，使得原料的来源广泛，纸的 成本下降，得以更广泛地普及。既然这种原材料的改变被看作是一个重要的技术创新，那么同样的，西方人开创了 用木材造纸也是一个重大的技术创新。总之，现代造纸术是很多国家共同发展出来的技术，不是单个国家的功劳。 (Cailun has been long considered as the inventor of paper, but after we found out that papyrus is actually a kind of paper, we should call Cailun as an improver, neverthlessly an important status within the history of papers development. His innovations in making use of various sources of materials such like tree-barks, rags of textiles, hemp, fishing nets that are aboundant to make paper pulps, no longer just using a few species of plants, thus the cost of production becomes widely affordable and practical. If we take the change in raw materials as an important technological innovation, we should consider the innvention of papyrus making use of plants fibre as an equally important invention. Generally, we should see that papermaking today is developed by many cultures thoughout the history, not just one single cultures effort. )

The communist propagandas endlessly insult chinese people with feeding up the media with flatteries and ignorant prides. These are more debunkings about compass（chinese design compass is almost useless on navigation), gunpowder(western yellow powder is not a derivative of chinese black powder), printing(chinese did not use metal movable typographies, koreans use metal typographies first).

The only truly world-class contribution is the innovation in materials in papermaking, even the metal movable typographies were pioneered by the koreans. We are not all that village rednecks that only gobble up the useless flatteries, the soulless flattery is an insult, we do not appreciate(稀罕） groundless flattery, if I have a chance, I would respond with a spit. There are many books that exaggerate chinese civilization on western markets, most of them are garbages.

[Hexachordia]

The mongols were indeed barbaric they destroyed Baghdad one of the jewels of the world. They also killed the Khwarzem iranic people's who had splendor civilization.

The mongols used the worlds first bioweapons, catapulting corpses infested with plague into cities. Mongols raided everywhere with massacres and not enough, also plagues, they were just a bunch of soulless zombies controlled by unknow alien invaders to destroy humanity, from their bad hygiene as recorded by persians we know that they had absolutely no awareness of being a human. In fact, modern populations in where has been conquered by mongols was all spawned by the subdued slaves under mongols, they obliterated all ancient nobles and knowledges from wherever they got to, replaced the lost with slaves, untouchables, no wonder modern age is full of garbages. This measure of killing the elites is similar to something thunderingly familar today, Marxists.

[knowledge is king]

The much popularized propaganda of the 4 Great Inventions of China, paper, compass, gunpowder, printing have been debunked by chinese posters, I may cite their points here, for example the case about paper, the chinese poster says: 以前，蔡伦一直被视为造纸术的发明者，后来发现了更早的纸以后，于是就改称其为造纸术的改进者，但是仍然被 看作是该发明最重要的关键人物，因为其开创了使用树皮，破布，麻头，鱼网来造纸，使得原料的来源广泛，纸的 成本下降，得以更广泛地普及。既然这种原材料的改变被看作是一个重要的技术创新，那么同样的，西方人开创了 用木材造纸也是一个重大的技术创新。总之，现代造纸术是很多国家共同发展出来的技术，不是单个国家的功劳。 (Cailun has been long considered as the inventor of paper, but after we found out that papyrus is actually a kind of paper, we should call Cailun as an improver, neverthlessly an important status within the history of papers development. His innovations in making use of various sources of materials such like tree-barks, rags of textiles, hemp, fishing nets that are aboundant to make paper pulps, no longer just using a few species of plants, thus the cost of production becomes widely affordable and practical. If we take the change in raw materials as an important technological innovation, we should consider the innvention of papyrus making use of plants fibre as an equally important invention. Generally, we should see that papermaking today is developed by many cultures thoughout the history, not just one single cultures effort. )

The communist propagandas endlessly insult chinese people with feeding up the media with flatteries and ignorant prides. These are more debunkings about compass（chinese design compass is almost useless on navigation), gunpowder(western yellow powder is not a derivative of chinese black powder), printing(chinese did not use metal movable typographies, koreans use metal typographies first).

The only truly world-class contribution is the innovation in materials in papermaking, even the metal movable typographies were pioneered by the koreans. We are not all that village rednecks that only gobble up the useless flatteries, the soulless flattery is an insult, we do not appreciate(稀罕） groundless flattery, if I have a chance, I would respond with a spit. There are many books that exaggerate chinese civilization on western markets, most of them are garbages.

So basically according to your point the entire chinese civilization through history were represented by stupid worthless chinks who were capable exceptionally to grow rice in the fields.

So all discoveries and inventions were made in the west by europeans and were implemented in Japan and thus 1.3 billion people are nothing but a race of worthless rice eaters that have nothing remarkable in general.
Do I understand your view correct? Don't you study your history yourself at the first place?

Do you realize that you are humiliating dignity of all people across Asia by this heresy?

[Hexachordia]

So basically according to your point the entire chinese civilization through history were represented by stupid worthless chinks who were capable exceptionally to grow rice in the fields.

So all discoveries and inventions were made in the west by europeans and were implemented in Japan and thus 1.3 billion people are nothing but a race of worthless rice eaters that have nothing remarkable in general.
Do I understand your view correct? Don't you study your history yourself at the first place?

Do you realize that you are humiliating dignity of all people across Asia by this heresy?

The marxists got it all wrong when it comes to the pride of the nation, they feed people with the values of corrupt power, meritocracy, false history etc. People lost proper understanding of their own cultural identity from the beginning. Let me list my proud heritages: we cultivated rice among the earliests, made some earliest potteries, created unique and ancient jade cultures, cultivated tea culture, silk culture, chinoiserie veneers, unique languages, original mythologies, accepted many world cultural elements, making navigations to southeast Asia since 500BC, these are undeniable facts that can recommend chinese people as a member of world civilization, other vain honors of inventing the compass is not necessary, and there are also some minus points that sprang forth from chinese culture, like Confucianism and the Art of War which are backward and pretentious dogmatism. I think it is a shame for a culture to produce these doctrines of mediocrity, confucianism is the height of human mediocritism, it does succeeded in indoctrinating the mass with servility throught authoritarianism, on the other hand, it endorses utmost freedom to bureaucratic corruption and violence. China has been a melting-pot of the worst imgainable social systems with some of the most galant indomitable people, this situation is very similar to Russia too, the nobility of our people lies in the permanent resurgence against our authorities, not the systems power however strong it maybe.

[knowledge is king]

I laughed at your post here, our communications here are the real examples of cultural barrier, we do not understand much of each others real situation, both feel the other is a less evil than their own. LOL

For me, the only problem for Russia is over-expansionism, it is an issue that stays on the superfaciality of politics, many russian poets wrote greatest works because they have profound understanding of human nature also of the nature of russian people. The soviets simply killed russian wisdom throught bullets, but the ancient russian spirit is still very strong today. But chinese have been indoctrinated in socialist values for 2000 years, our history has been a mess too, our people had been fighting each other for stupid causes, our society stagnated for 1000 years at least. You should take my rational voices as a rarity from chinese people, less than 5% chinese understand this rationalities today. And Marxism is wrong for sure, but I do not think it will be gone very soon, however, it becomes important today for Taiwan, Singapore, HK, Macao to maintain their local originalities in culture and politics, these prosperous chinese urban areas are the examples of the democratic side of our culture. I hope nothing less than independency for them.

Maybe you are right here but I believe current realities in China are more comfortable than in Russia today and basic standarts of living are higher. But if we take the long term perspective then China will multiply this superiority many times.
I don't know what is your problem honestly. Are you discriminated by local government or your civil rights get violated? You can move overseas then as many of your countryman do. Although many of ethnic chinese have hopes to reunite again with China instead.
I would recommend you to consider a migrational programs of Canada and Australia as I do myself. It is affordable to everyone and highly accessible. You can change your life only by yourself.

[Hexachordia]

Maybe you are right here but I believe current realities in China are more comfortable than in Russia today and basic standarts of living are higher. But if we take the long term perspective then China will multiply this superiority many times.
I don't know what is your problem honestly. Are you discriminated by local government or your civil rights get violated? You can move overseas then as many of your countryman do. Although many of ethnic chinese have hopes to reunite again with China instead.
I would recommend you to consider a migrational programs of Canada and Australia as I do myself. It is affordable to everyone and highly accessible. You can change your life only by yourself.

Canada is a nice place, I would like Canada if possible. My daily distress in China is from the aggressive economy and infrastrature policies, I have some money to spend on games or books or music cds or unsafe snacks or brand cars but they just want to shove money on people. I can not be happy with them for all the time, when bumping into reality it turns out cruel. The megacities mentioned by you is a disaster, here people have absolutely no right to decide on whatever major exploitation on local resources and prestine natural landscapes. To contribute to the world, not just being strong about ones own interests, this is not just a fairy-tale chicken soup talk when it comes to the reality of a nations well-being, there is a slogan in chinese economy, initiated by Mao: 人家有的我们也要有/ we must have all the stuff which others have， under this solgan, government goes on endless subsidization, plagiarism, crude industrialization, just to catch up with the world in all materialistic aspects except for culture. But people are already soulless, many historical heritages were destroyed, the stupidity of money pursuit is un-precedented. The sparkles of chinese culture is half-dead or alive somewhere outside mainland China.