Greek indepedence war against turks or albanians??

**DarknessWin** · 09-30-2016, 10:16 AM

This is a good question, if someone study the history of 1821 will find that most generals and pasha's of Ottoman Empire were from
Albanian ethnicity.
So funny because modern Albanian claim that they helped Greeks in their independence war

Here a small list:

Ibrahim Pasha, known schizophrenic who tried unsuccessfully with French staff officers to extinguish the revolution, the son of the Viceroy of Egypt Mohammed Ali was an Albanian bey.

Omer Pasha Vryoni, General of Tepelenli Ali Pasha, Pasha in various cities of Epirus, marched during the years 1821-22 led thousands of Greeks against rebels.

Moustai Shkodra Pasha (Mustafa), campaigned in 1823 with 16000 Albanians . The army was specific for mountain war and began fighting with many hopes to cut Marcos Botsaris but they
humilated from the Greeks

Ismail Pasha Pliassa, Albanian pasha who campaigned several times in the rebellious Greeks (up to Fisherman in 1824).

Ahmet Pasha Vrioni, marched to the principles of the revolution against the Greeks.

Isouf Perkoftsali Pasha, an Albanian pasha who campaigned several times in the rebellious Greeks.

Mousta-bei, General of Kioutachi (Mehmet Resit Pasha, Rumeli Walesa) was ambushed upon exiting the Mesolongion killing 500, was killed in Arachova Karaiskakis in 1826 and his head nailed to the stake with the Kechagiampei Kioutachi. Features were saying to him that it was "the biggest Otzaki Albania and soul of Kioutachi and Albanians." Together in Delphi 1300 and died elite Albanians "the flower of Albania", only 100 survived the ambush of Greeks Karaiskaki. The Albanians then mourned his death with song saved:

"From Athens to Alamana many are captains
But many are captains, killed Moustambey
Who Killed the Moustambey that from our blood was a star?
Karaiskakis with the moustache
".. The frog from Levadia killed the lion Moustambey of Albania

Karefil Bey, brother of musician-Bey and he was killed in Arachova

Brother Banuzi Sevliani: killed with the other albanians in Arachova.

Taxir Abazi- general of Ali Pasha Tepelenli

Melek Pasha Geka, acted in Lamia in 1821.

Finely Fezon Bey, leader of the Ghegs horsemen of Vrioni in Alamana and tie in 1821.

Mustafa Bey Kafezezi, leader of the horsemen Chams Vrioni in Alamana and tie in 1821.

Silichtar Boda, a significant Albanian general of the Turks throughout the revolution.

Ago Muchurdari, Albanian general of the Turks fought in the battle of Peta in 1821.

Ayo Basiari- fighter of Omer Brioni, Killed from Suliotes

Nurka Servani, albanian derven-aga , killed in Trikeri Magnesia in 1827.

Tachir Papulia , albanian derven-aga in Kravaron and Apokourou 1821.

Mustafa Bey, Kechagia-bey (chief of staff Hursit Pasha), leader of the besieged Turks and Albanians in Tripolitsa in 1821

Ali Bey, Moustafabei brother was killed at the Battle of Granicus in 1821, outside Tripolitsa

Ismail bey Vliori, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Veli Bey Giatzi, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Tzane Martolatzi, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Mustafa Martini Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Aslan Ntemtzi, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Hassan Bilusi, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Banouz Sevrani, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Schultz Kortsa son, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Kechriman bey Gatzea Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Zavaliani going, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Liuli Tzapari, Albanian bimpasi (captains) of Kioutachi.

Hasan Pasha Geka, killed in night raid at the camp Kioutachi 1825.

Elmaz mezzo, acted in 1821 in Epirus.

Teleha-bei - leader of Gegs horsemens of Omer brioni

Silihtar Boda - albanian general of ottomans

Banuz Mustafa Martini - albanian ottoman chief

Bekir Aga Tzogaduro,albanian commander of Preveza in 1821, had other interests.

Schultz Kortza, albanian nterven-aga Trikala in 1822 and was active elsewhere.

Suleiman metic, albanian chieftain acted in Epirus in 1821.

Gap bey Vrioni, albanian chieftain acted in Epirus in 1821.

Mourto Tzalio, albanian chieftain acted in Epirus in 1821.

Islam bey Kokka, albanian chieftain acted in Epirus in 1821.

Ismail bei, albanian chieftain

Hasan Bilusi, albanian chieftain

Mohammed Daliani, albanian chieftain from Konispoli, acted in Epirus in 1821.

Islam Pronio, albanian chieftain from Paramythia, acted in Epirus in 1821.

Balian Huso, albanian chieftain from Margariti, acted in Epirus in 1821.

Hassan Huso, albanian chieftain from Margariti, acted in Epirus in 1821.

Ismail Benny Konitza, albanian bey was active in the continent in 1821.

Xhaferi Frasaris Bey, head of Vanguard Ismail Pasha Pliassa fell to Kompoti of Arta in 1821.

Frasari , captured from Greeks for second time .

Ibrahim Premeti, attacked Kalarrytes of Epirus in 1821.

Hussein Bey, son of Mustafa Pasha of Delvino, Parga was commander in 1821.

Genet Chapare, Tsam chieftain acted in Parga in 1821.

Deli Hafez, commander Patratsikiou to1821.

Tzinko Chametzi, Albanian chieftain fought in the battle of Peta in 1821.

Vekout Gardiki, Albanian chieftain fought in Plaka of Epirus in 1821.

Tachir Mourtotzali, Albanian chieftain acted in 1821.

Tsegko-Bey, Albanian chieftain acted in Epirus in 1821.

Matus Latif Aga, the Turkish-Albanian chieftain acted Ipero 1821.

Maxout Sropouli, an Albanian officer Abtul Aboud Pasha of Thessaloniki attacked the inhabitants of Olympus in 1821.

Tachir Chapare, a chieftain of Vrioni attacked Souliotes in 1822.

Ibrahim Demo, chieftain of Vrioni attacked Souliotes in 1822.

Liulio Tzapari , albanian chieftrain

Ismail Pronio, chieftain of Vrioni attacked Souliotes in 1822.

ArC Benes, officer of Ismail Pasha Pliassa.

Hajji Ben officer of Ismail Pasha Pliassa.

Isuf Bey, an officer of Mahmud Pasha Dramali Akrata rescued in 1822.

Tamaz Bimpasi officer of Mahmud Pasha Dramali Akrata rescued in 1822.

Avdulach Bey, leader of Albanians to attack Etoliko in 1823 where he was wounded.

Pracho Prevista, leader of the Albanians in battle Ampliani to1824.

Tselio pizzeria, Albanian chieftain strengthened Perkoftsali Pasha at the battle of Ampliani to 1824.

Manet Luzati, Albanian chieftain Gostitsa besieged in 1824.

Chisels Tepeleni, Albanian chieftain Gostitsa besieged in 1824.

Hassan Chapare, Alvanotsam chieftain of the Lantern of Epirus acted in 1821.

Choto Pronio, Leader of Tsams, chieftain in 1821.

Aslanaki leader of the Albanian Moustafa-bei when he entered the besieged Tripolitsa

Ahmet bey Demo, from Filiates - Albanian mercenary in battle of Tripolitsa died with other 800 albanians during the siege

Lima Kogiatsa Bey, leader of Albanians in the siege of Tripoli in 1821

Veli Bey Kogiatsa, leader of Albanians in the siege of Tripoli in 1821

Kalio-bei Bono, the son of Mitsa Bono, leader of Albanians in the siege of Tripoli in 1821

Ibrahim Lalai, Peloponnesian albanian acted in Lala and Patras

Hanja Lalai, Peloponnesian albanian Lala acted in Patras

Xhaferi sparingly Lalai albanian acted in 1821.

Newt Vardunioti, Peloponnesian albanian acted at the siege of Tripolis.

Abdul Bey Arnautoglu, the influential Turkish Tripoli in 1821.

Arnautoglu Ibrahim, commander Kalavryta between the years 1820-1821.

Suleiman Arnautoglu, voivod of Kalamata in 1821.

Nefezi Karachuso, Lalai albanian died in 1821.

Moustafa Hajj, Lalai albanian died in 1821.

Beiko Kehagia, albanian negotiator Lala.

Koutsoraip Aga, Lalai albanian acted in 1821.

Muse-Bey Kiafa Zeza, albanian officer Abazi Pasha during his campaign in the East Central 1825 (probably already mentioned).

Chota-Bey T,Albanian officer of Abazi Pasha during his campaign in East Central in 1825.

Veli Agha- Albanian officer of Abazi Pasha during his campaign in East Central in 1825.

Mahmut Bey Kostouri, albanian officer of Abazi Pasha during his campaign in East Central in 1825.

Ibrahim Kostretzi, albanian officer of Abazi Pasha during his campaign in East Central in 1825.

Muhtar Bey-Kiaftisi, albanian officer of Kioutachi in Athens in 1827.

Isouf dibenzyl, Albanian commander Lidorikiou before the revolution, was mild and benevolent, but tortured and hung from the walls of the Acropolis of Athens in 1827 with 17 other albanians for retaliation twinge when besiegers 2 Greeks.

Mustafa Agha Sugkarini, General Gheg of Kioutachi during the siege of the Acropolis of Athens in 1827.

Magdari, leader of Albanians in Chios in 1828 was captured by the army of Favierou.

Mussa-Bey, leader of the Turkish-Albanian garrison capitulated Koroni in 1828.

Mustafa-Bey, leader of the Turkish-Albanian garrison capitulated Koroni in 1828.

Veli Bey, leader of the Turkish-Albanian garrison capitulated Koroni in 1828.

Mehmet Devoli, commander Salona 1828.

Orhan Kiafaxisi, leader of the Turkish-Albanian Korakovrysi Boeotia until 1828 when he was arrested.

Kior Ibrahim, commander delivered Nafpaktos in 1828.

Slice Tukofli, cosigned tradition Messolonghi in 1829.

Nouri Tzopi, cosigned tradition Messolonghi in 1829

Marge Tsuriguni, cosigned tradition Messolonghi in 1829

Ismail Bei Giaci , albanian chief

Tzelaledin Bey, commander of Ohrid, killed in Kefalovriso from Markos Botsaris 1823.

Ahmet Privista or Deprivistani - Greek Arvanite Kitsos Tzavelas arrested him and stamped him with foinika (the greek coat)

Ahmet Bei Demo - Killed from Greeks in tripolitsa with his 800 albanian warriors

Kehagia-bei - leader of ottomans in tripolitsa,killed from Kolokotronis

Nouredin aga Beloukmpasi, fought in Petra Boeotia.

Asla-bei Muchurdari 1500 Albanians fought the last battle in the race to Petra Boeotia. So the Albanians were present and consistent throughout the phases and the Greek Revolution. The fate of the Turkish-Albanian beys, aghas and chieftains when they went to claim their wages from Kioutachi

**~~Laberia~~** · 09-30-2016, 11:37 AM

There will be a lot of fun in this thread, especially if will be posted the list of the opponents, 90% of them again Albanians. As Fallmerayer said, there was no a Greek Revolution, but an war among Albanians.
Can i ask you why you don't post the source of this list?
But the most funny thing in your list, you know what is?
This:
Tachir Papulia , albanian derven-aga in Kravaron and Apokourou 1821.

You know who was this man? The grand grandfather of your last President of Hellenic Republic, Karolos Papoulias.
Hahahahahaha, what a joke.

**catgeorge** · 09-30-2016, 11:44 AM

..and of course they all got killed.

**Queen B** · 09-30-2016, 11:44 AM

''Albanians'' fought with ''Albanians'' and that resulted to Greek independence
Albanian independence 1912.
Make sense

**~~Laberia~~** · 09-30-2016, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Queen B

''Albanians'' fought with ''Albanians'' and that resulted to Greek independence
Albanian independence 1912.
Make sense

Make sense because this was the decision of Great Powers. They decided to invent a new nation called greek nation and from other side they decided to crush the Albanians,because Albanians were to much powerful in Balkans in that period. Is this difficult for you to understand?
BTW, what is your contribution in this forum appart trolling and laughing like a horse?

**Queen B** · 09-30-2016, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Laberia

Make sense because this was the decision of Great Powers. They decided to invent a new nation called greek nation and from other side they decided to crush the Albanians,because Albanians were to much powerful in Balkans in that period. Is this difficult for you to understand?
BTW, what is your contribution in this forum appart trolling and laughing like a horse?

Oh ~ Yeah, I forgot. The conspriracy theory against the Almighty Albanians (the LAST to gain independence, I guess that those great powers helped Greece, Serbia, Bosnia+Herzegovina, Bulgaria but not the poor-poor Albania

)

Well, at least I do post my picture, and at least I do not go with ad hominem attacks.
Where is your photo?

**~~Laberia~~** · 09-30-2016, 12:14 PM

https://www.google.al/search?biw=642....0.K3czbb54_to

Τουρκαλβανικής καταγωγής ο Παπούλιας ;

Κύριε Πρόεδρε της Δημοκρατίας, τι σχέση έχετε με τον Ταχίρ Παπούλια, τον Τουρκαλβανό δυνάστη των Ηπειρωτών;

Turk Albanian (Muslim Albanian) origine of Papoulias.
Mister President of Republic what is your connection with Tahir Papoulias muslim Albanian lord of Epir?

Hahahahahaha, what a joke. Poor greeks.

**~~Charles Bronson~~** · 09-30-2016, 12:32 PM

Yes, they were loyal slaves for the Ottomans.

**~~Laberia~~** · 09-30-2016, 12:35 PM

For the curiosity of the readers Karolos Papouliaswas the son of Gregorios, who was the son of Suleiman, who was the son of Tahir Papoulias.
And this grand grandfather of the ex-President of Hellenic Republic was killed by an "greek" heroe, Marko Boçari from Suli.
Do you understand why all the world say that the so-called Greek Revolution was just an Albanian war?
Enjoy your funny history.

EDIT
You pretend that expelled all the muslims from Greece. Seems that "some" of this muslims just converted in christians and of course, if someone is an orthodox he is an greek.