The Making of Croats

[Insuperable]

But I did not make more than 2 threads related to the Croatia in my whole forum career.

No more than 2? Hooker plz. Let me see what I can remember, there was one about Dubrovnik, two I think about Croatian WW2 crimes, one about comparing Tito and Tuđman (that was the OP, I forgot what was the name of that thread, now this one and plus numerous bumping of old and inactive threads with your trash talk. Since this forum crashed and threads were lost you opened just a few threads, but you can't help youself not to open something about Croatia.

Spoiler!

Obviously, my obsession with Croatia exists only in your head.

You prove otherwise. You were asked to stay away from Croatian topic you just can't help youself. Why are you obsessed with Croatia when no Croats on this forum gives a slightest crap about Serbia?

Croatian forum members are obsessed with "northern plotting", not me.

Seems to me you are more obsessed. More butthurt.

This is thread about ethnogenesis of Croats, not about "northern plotting". You were the first who start to write about "northern plotting" here. I am afraid your "northern plotting" will get you straight to the madhouse.

You are quite easy to see through retarded whore. Just because you are dumb as rock does not mean others are too.

[katniss]

Most of Serbs in Croatia are of Vlach origin.

Croatian haplogroups: click

Serbian haplogroups (among these 1000 samples, there are over 100 samples of Serbs from Croatia): click

Genetic differences between Croats and Serbs from Croatia are following:
Croats have more Balkanic haplogroup I2 DS of unknown origin which is connected mostly to the Dinaric area in former Yugoslavia.
Serbs from Croatia have more I2 DN which is connected to the Slavic world (Serbs from Croatia: I2 DN 18, I2 DS 11, I2 din 3).
Serbs have more I1 haplogroup, which is also Slavic.
Serbs from Croatia have more Slavic R1a than Croats.
Serbs from Croatia have more Greco-Latin elements in their ethnogenesis which is what both genetics and historical documents present.
On the other side, Croats have more Turko Albanian branch of R1b L23 which almost does not exist among Serbs.

[Tschaikisten]

Serbs have more I1 haplogroup, which is also Slavic.

I don't know about Croatian I1.
We have 8-9% of I1.
90% of Serbian I1 is I1-P109, which is connected with Normans, not with Slavs.
I1-Z63 which is 10% of Serbian I1 can be connected with Slavs/East German tribes.
I1-P109 migration to Balkan(my paint work )

Byzantine–Norman wars

[Insuperable]

Croatian haplogroups: click

Serbian haplogroups (among these 1000 samples, there are over 100 samples of Serbs from Croatia): click

Genetic differences between Croats and Serbs from Croatia are following:
Croats have more Balkanic haplogroup I2 DS of unknown origin which is connected mostly to the Dinaric area in former Yugoslavia.
Serbs from Croatia have more I2 DN which is connected to the Slavic world (Serbs from Croatia: I2 DN 18, I2 DS 11, I2 din 3).
Serbs have more I1 haplogroup, which is also Slavic.
Serbs from Croatia have more Slavic R1a than Croats.
Serbs from Croatia have more Greco-Latin elements in their ethnogenesis which is what both genetics and historical documents present.
On the other side, Croats have more Turko Albanian branch of R1b L23 which almost does not exist among Serbs.

Show me y-dna statistics of Serbs from Croatia.

The serbianization of the Vlachs was mainly conducted by the Serbian Orthodox Church.Since the majority of the Vlach population of Croatia was Orthodox or Greek Catholic, and since their episcopacies were destroyed, they become subjects of the Serbian Orthodox Church, later identifying themselves as Serbs. Soon, serbianized Vlachs become the bulk of the Serb population in Croatia.

http://www.gutenberg.us/articles/Serbianization

Mother of Starčević was a (Serbian) Orthodox Vlach and today she is known as a Serb. He himself was against serbianization of Vlachs in Croatia. He called you all kind of names. Show me

[katniss]

I don't know about Croatian I1.
We have 8-9% of I1.
90% of Serbian I1 is I1-P109, which is connected with Normans, not with Slavs.
I1-Z63 which is 10% of Serbian I1 can be connected with Slavs/East German tribes.
I1-P109 migration to Balkan(my paint work )

Byzantine–Norman wars

If it is true, it would be logical that Normans also brought in Serbia some other haplogrups typical for Germans. There are no Germanic clades of R1b among Serbs. There are no Germanic clades of R1a among Serbs.
I1 in Balkan is Slavic. Almost every Slavic nation have at least 10% of I1.
Most of I1 among Serbs from Croatia is in Macura cluster.
Look this FTDNA:
Kudin Martin, 1720 Belarus
Mile Macura b. 1839 Macure, Kistanje, RSK, Serbia

[Tschaikisten]

If it is true, it would be logical that Normans also brought in Serbia some other haplogrups typical for Germans. There are no Germanic clades of R1b among Serbs. There are no Germanic clades of R1a among Serbs.
I1 in Balkan is Slavic. Almost every Slavic nation have at least 10% of I1.
Most of I1 among Serbs from Croatia is in Macura cluster.
Look this FTDNA:
Kudin Martin, 1720 Belarus
Mile Macura b. 1839 Macure, Kistanje, RSK, Serbia

Dat's true for Macure, but I1-P109 is connected with Drobnjak tribe, so...
As I told you, I1-109 come here with Normans, not with Slavs. There is no P109 in western/eastern Slavic countries.
Also, Serbian P109 has gedmatches in Sicily, dat's main reason why is P109 called ''Norman'' haplogroup among Serbs.

[katniss]

Show me y-dna statistics of Serbs from Croatia.

Serbs from Croatia
http://dnk.poreklo.rs/naslovna/

Surnames, krsna slava and place of origin

I2 DN
Amanović, Nikoljdan, Vrbnik/Knin/Dalmacija
Radonić, Jovanjdan, Pušina/Slavonija/HR
Gagić, Đurđevdan, Zelengrad/Dalmacija
Vučković, Nikoljdan, Polača/Knin/Dalmacija
Gagić, Đurđevdan, Gornji Biljani, Dalmacija
Gagić, Sv. Vrači/Đurđevdan, Zelengrad/Bukovica/Dalmacija
Eror, Sv. Vrači, Bunić/Lika
Barišić, Jovanjdan, Bribir/Dalmacija
Damjanović, Jovanjdan, Srb/Lika
Berber, Stevanjdan, Bilišane/Obrovac/Dalmacija
Vujasinović, Stevanjdan, Ivoševci/Knin/HR
Kljajić, Lučindan, Korenica/HR
Mirilo, Jovanjdan, Žegar/Dalmacija
Glumac, Lika/HR
Šijan, Aranđelovdan, Kupirevo/Srb/Lika
Dimić, Aranđelovdan,Čomborje/Podravska Slatina/HR
Novaković, Aranđelovdan, Velika Popina /Lika
Kepčija, Jovanjdan, Dvor/Banija

I2 DS
Ivančević, Miholjdan, Nova Kršlja/Kordun
Krnjaja, Jovanjdan, Žegar/Obrovac/Dalmacija/HR
Lukić, Jovanjdan, Tribanj/Šibuljina/DALM
Janjatović Jolići, Đurđevdan, Latin/Plaški/Lika
Jovanić, Đurđevdan, Nateka/Srb/Lika
Petrović, Đurđic, Mađer/Požega/SRB
Kubat, Lazareva Subota, Žegar/Dalmacija
Dokić, Đurđevdan, Markovac/Knin/Dalmacija
Tesla, Đurđevdan, Raduč/Lika
Dukić, Stevanjdan, Deringaj, Gračac, Lika
Vukobratović, Đurđevdan, G.Ploča/Lovinac/Lika

I2 DINARIC
Vujašković, Jovanjdan, Petrinja/D.Pastuša/Banija
Dobrić, Đurđevdan, Dobropoljci/Benkovac/Dalmacija
Graovac, Stevanjdan, Vrebac/Lika

R1A
Grahovac, Ramljani/Lika/HR
Savić, Benkovac/HR
Šerbula, Nikoljdan, Kosna/Dvor na Uni/Banija/HR
Jarić, Nikoljdan, Kom/Zrmanja/Lika/HR
Đapa, Đurđevdan, Doljani/D.Lapac/Lika/HR
Galjen, Đurđevdan, Dragotina/Banija/HR
Marinković, Đurđevdan, Kozarac/Kordun/HR
Jarić, Đurđevdan, Glogovica/Slavonija/HR
Demonja, Đurđevdan Vlahović/Glina/Banija
Markov, Ilindan, Slavonski Brod/HR
Biga, Trivunjdan, Donji Babin Potok/Lika/HR
Ljubojević, Đurđevdan, Petkovac/Petrinja/Banija
Mrđenović, Jovanjdan, Živkovića Kosa/Vojnić/Kordun
Džodanović, Nikoljdan, Dopsin/Slavonija
Plećaš, Gospić/Lika
Pavković,Sveti Vasilije Veliki, Osredci/Gračac/Lika/HR
Bursać, Đurđevdan, Plavno/Knin/Dalmacija/HR
Radaković, Nikoljdan, Popović Brdo/Kordun/HR
Knez, Aranđelovdan, Kosore/Vrlika/Dalmacija/HR
Arnaut, Aranđelovdan, Kosore/Vrlika/Dalmacija/HR
Rašeta, Nikoljdan, D.Lapac/Lika
Maričić, Nikoljdan, Brinje/HR

I1
Aleksić, Đurđevdan, Svrzigaće/Slavonija/HR
Bačko, Aranđelovdan, Ramljane/Knin/Dalmacija
Barać, Podlapača/Lika/HR
Krtinić, Jovanjdan, Rudopolje Bruvanjsko/Lika
Nužda, Nikoljdan, Banija
Ćuk, Nikoljdan, Zrmanja/Lika
Karan, Đurđevdan, Donje Ceranje/R.Kotari/DALM
Prostran, Aranđelovdan, Smoković/Dalmacija/HR
Macura, Aranđelovdan, Kistanje/DALM
Škundrić, Jovanjda, Pribudić/Vrelo Zrmanje/Lika
Prodan, Vasiljevdan, Tribanj/Šibuljina/DALM
Marinković (Vurlan), Vasiljevdan, Tribanj/Šibuljina/DALM
Marinković (Ćelić), Aranđelovdan, Tribanj/Šibuljina/DALM
Macura Vidaković, Aranđelovdan, Macure, DALM
Kovačević, Đurđevdan, Srednja Dobrinja/Požega/SRB

J2B M205
Novaković, Nikoljdan, Kršlje/Novi Grad/RS
Vuletić, Đurđevdan, Medak/Lika/HR
Krička, Nikoljdan, Kričke/Drniš/Dalmacija/HR
Lakić, Tomindan, Gornji Karajzovci/Gradiška/RS
Stojanović, Jovanjdan, N.Gradiška/Slavonija/HR
Janjatović, Jovanjdan, Srspko Polje/Otočac/Lika/HR
Pavičić, Jovanjdan, Škare/Lika/HR
Dragosavac, Jovanjdan, Vrebac/Lika/HR
Jelača, Đurđevdan, Varivode/Kistanje/Dalmacija/HR
Narančić, Jovanjdan, Vrebac/Gospić/Lika/HR
Mandić, Jovanjdan, Korduševci/Slavonski Brod/HR
Hrkalović, Jovanjdan, Turjanski/Lika/HR
Mrđenović, Jovanjdan, Zut/Banija/HR
Demić, Đurđevdan, Klasnić/Banija/HR
Delić, Jovanjdan, Bjelopolje/Lika/HRV

J2A
Popović, Jovanjdan, Tomingaj/Gračac/Lika

J1
Sinobad, Đurđevdan, Kninsko Polje/Dalmacija
Šepa, Nikoljdan, Velika Popina/Lika
Janjatović, Jovanjdan, Srpsko Polje/Otočac/Lika
Dronjak, Stevanjdan, Zrmanja Vrelo/Lika

E
Vrcelj, Mratindan, Benkovac/Dalmacija
Marinković, Đurđevdan, Bunić/Lika/HR
Komljenović, Petrovdan, Veliki Gradac/Glina/Banija
Kleut, Miholjdan, Morpolača/Dalmacija
Vukić, Hrvatska
Orlić, Nikoljdan, Korenica/Lika
Rajšić, Lučindan, Staro Selo/Topusko/HR
Đaković, Đurđevdan, Mogorić/Gospić/Lika/HR
Lakić, Nikoljdan, G. Karin/Obrovac/DALM
Andić, Aranđelovdan, Turić/HR
Stanković, Brinje/Lika
Radulović, Mitrovdan, Knin/Dalmacija/HR
Zdjelar, HR
Kovačević, Nikoljdan, Gazije/Orahovica/Slavon./HR
Subotić, Markovdan, Ervenik/Dalmacija/HR
Mandić, Lazareva Subota, Tomingaj/Gračac/Lika

R1B
Gužvić, Đurđevdan, Gornja Pištana/Slavonija

G2
Komlenić, Nikoljdan, Vrbovsko/HR
Radulović, Ignjatijevdan, Drežnica/Ogulin/HR
Maćešić, Krnjak/Karlovac/HR

N
Brčin, Đurđevdan, Gračac/Lika
Štrbac, Nikoljdan, Kistanje/Knin/HR
Crnčević, Jovanjdan, Biočić/Drniš/Dalmacija
Bogdanović, Đurđevdan, Vrebac/Gospić/Lika/HR
Uzelac, Nikoljdan, Smoljanac/Korenica/Lika

[Voskos]

lol, rv12aval vs Slivovitz vendetta is on again

[Insuperable]

Many Vlachs.

[Myanthropologies]

I smell major troll in OP