Explain this: Kyrgyz 70-80% Mongoloid autosomal DNA, Y-DNA ( 25.5% C3, O3 8.5%, 55.3% R1a )

[johen]

Lake Baikal region was inhabited by Caucasoid populations from deep prehistory until the Iron Age:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andron...l_anthropology

Quote:

"The Andronovo have been described by archaeologists as exhibiting pronounced Europoid features.[16] A 2004 study also established that, during the Bronze/Iron Age period, the majority of the population of Kazakhstan (part of the Andronovo culture during Bronze Age), was of West Eurasian origin (with mtDNA haplogroups such as U, H, HV, T, I and W), and that prior to the thirteenth to seventh century BC, all Kazakh samples belonged to European lineages.[23] Other studies confirm, that during Bronze Age in areas to the north of present-day China, the boundary between Europoid and Mongoloid populations was on the eastern slopes of the Altai, in Western Mongolia.[24][25] Some Europoid influence extended also into Northeast Mongolia,[26] and the population of present-day Kazakhstan was Europoid during the Bronze/Iron Age period.[27] Archaeological investigations likewise suggest, that in the steppe region of Central Asia and the Altai Mountains, the first food production began towards the end of the 3rd millennium BC and that the peoples who first entered this region were Europoids of the Afanasevo culture who came from the Aral Sea area (Kelteminar culture).[28]

In 2009, a genetic study of ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, the Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk culture, was published in Human Genetics.[16] Ten individuals of the Andronovo horizon in southern Siberia from 1400 BC to 1000 BC were surveyed.[16] Extractions of mtDNA from nine individuals were determined to represent two samples of haplogroup U4, one sample of Z1, one sample T1, one sample of U2e, one sample of T4, one sample of H, one sample of K2b and one sample of U5a1.[16] Extractions of Y-DNA from one individual was determined to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C (but not C3), while the other two extractions were determined to belong to haplogroup R1a1a, which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans.[16] Of the individuals surveyed only two (or 22%) were determined to be Mongoloid while seven (or 78%) were determined to be Europoid, with the majority being light-eyed and light-haired.[16]

In June 2015, another genetic study[29] surveyed one additional male and three female individuals of Andronovo culture. Extraction of Y-DNA from this individual was determined to belong to R1a1a1b2a2.[30] Extractions of mtDNA were determined to represent two samples of U4 and two samples of U2e.

However, if you see the admixture, iron age altai people seems to get their genes from Okunevo, american indian who were altai natives.


And the similar thing of kyrgyz happens in modern altai people.

Interestingly, in western Truvinian sample, the frequency of haplogroup R1a1a was considerably
lower than in the central sample. Based on the closeness of the Altai, which is populated by the representatives of a more Caucasoid SouthSiberian racial
type, it would be reasonable to expect the west–east decrease of the R1a1a frequency on the territory of Tuva. However, this was not observed, and the change of the haplogroup frequency was rather the opposite, as the eastern samples demonstrated maximum frequency of this haplogroup. At the first glance, the result obtained is paradoxical. Specifically, in terms of anthropology, the most Caucasoid population of the western parts of Tuva displays the minimum of haplogroup R1a1a, while in the most Mongoloid population of Todja, the maximum of this haplogroup is observed

http://medgenetics.ru/UserFile/File/...244-Y-Tuva.pdf

Anthrologist C. Brace also mentioned the possibility that mongol bronze crania specimen be close to Native american

Mongolia is a long way east of any of the other samples used, but it has previously been shown that the Mongolian Bronze Age sample is unrelated to modern Mongols and has more in common with prehistoric Europeans and the Native Americans of the United States-Canada border.

So, it is too early to decide that R1a1 came from western Europe.

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The early Kyrgyz people, known as Yenisei Kyrgyz, have their origins in the western parts of modern-day Mongolia and first appear in written records in the Chinese annals of the Sima Qian's Records of the Grand Historian (compiled 109 BC to 91 BC), as Gekun (鬲昆, 隔昆) or Jiankun (堅昆). They were described in Tang Dynasty texts as having "red hair and green eyes", while those with dark hair and eyes were said to be descendants of a Chinese general Li Ling.[18] In Chinese sources, these Kyrgyz tribes were described as fair-skinned, green- or blue-eyed and red-haired people with a mixture of European and Mongol features.[19][20][21][22] The Middle Age Chinese composition Tanghuiyao of the 8–10th century transcribed the name "Kyrgyz" as Tsze-gu (Kirgut), and their tamga was depicted as identical to the tamga of present-day Kyrgyz tribes Azyk, Bugu, Cherik, Sary Bagysh and few others.[23]

So they were mixed allready 2200 years ago.

Now they still have quite a big share of mixed eyes (green and hazel).
And if we treat lighter shades as sign of Caucasoid ancestry they are 45-37% white.

From Oshanin [1965] - some samples were without eye color measured

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For example Kazakhs are darker

[Peterski]

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid.

They are a separate race of their own, which emerged from Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixture.

Plus maybe some minor Australoid admixture.

[Rethel]

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid.

They are a separate race of their own, which emerged from Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixture.

Plus maybe some minor Australoid admixture.

All races emerged by such/similar way
They are simply amerindian - part of yellow odmiany of human.
Races are classyfyed typologically, not by origin.

[ButlerKing]

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid.

They are a separate race of their own, which emerged from Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixture.

Plus maybe some minor Australoid admixture.

They are Proto-Mongoloid with minor Caucasoid admixture.

[ButlerKing]

Native Americans are not fully Mongoloid.

They are a separate race of their own, which emerged from Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixture.

Plus maybe some minor Australoid admixture.

They are not fully Mongoloid but are still Mongoloid. In same South Asians, North Africans, Yemens are not fully Caucasoid but are still Caucasoid.