Comparison of Turks, Greeks, Sicilians and South Italians

[Danishmend]

I'm really tired of seeing posts like "Western Turks are assimilated Greeks and closer to Sicilians genetically" or "Western Turks are Balkanites etc". Let's resolve this once and for all.

Eurogenes Steppe k10 calculator
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1809893991

Here is the comparison of Western Turks, Cappadocian Turks, Greeks, Sicilians and South Italians.

Turkish_Balıkesir = Northwest Anatolian Turkish samples (Hodoğlugil & Mahley, 2012)
Turkish_Aydın = Southwest Anatolian Turkish samples (Hodoğlugil & Mahley, 2012)
Turkish_Cappadocia = East-Central Anatolian Turkish samples from historical Cappadocia region (Behar et al.)

Steppe = component based on Yamnaya samples
Hindu_Kush = ANE-related South Central Asian component

	Near_Eastern	East_Asian	Siberian	Oceanian	WHG_UHG	Sub_Saharan	Hindu_Kush	Steppe	Amerindian	Southeast_Asian
Turkish_Aydın	43,45	6,62	6,17	0,33	8,23	0,47	17,32	16,17	0,76	0,44
Turkish_Balıkesir	41,63	6,44	6,05	0,64	9,93	0,22	16,98	16,57	0,50	1,01
Greek	51,80	0,23	0,41	0,37	20,03	0,14	7,41	19,03	0,34	0,22
Sicilian	54,70	0,29	0,30	0,31	19,21	1,80	9,71	13,04	0,11	0,53
South_Italian	57,70	0,18	0,24	0,35	16,62	1,12	10,88	12,21	0,44	0,26
Turkish_Cappadocia	46,73	2,90	3,20	0,42	5,08	0,20	22,74	17,38	0,58	0,75

Turkish_Balıkesir: top 20 populations
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Balikesir @ 0,24591
2 Turkish_Aydin @ 2,650914
3 Turkish_Cappadocia @ 10,156451 --> Eastern Turks from Cappadocia
4 Kumyk @ 14,251155 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
5 Balkar @ 15,730195 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
6 North_Ossetian @ 15,771541
7 Nogai @ 16,381739 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
8 Adygei @ 16,670521
9 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 18,06219
10 Abkhasian @ 18,944679
11 Greek @ 19,305232
12 Chechen @ 19,318086
13 Georgian @ 19,370041
14 Sicilian @ 19,876989
15 West_Sicilian @ 19,957881
16 Maltese @ 20,211052
17 East_Sicilian @ 20,229785
18 South_Italian @ 20,77649
19 Armenian @ 21,046241
20 Kurdish @ 21,258097



Turkish_Aydın: top 20 populations
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Aydin @ 0,910749
2 Turkish_Balikesir @ 3,19076
3 Turkish_Cappadocia @ 8,406645 --> Eastern Turks from Cappadocia
4 Kumyk @ 14,693317 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
5 Balkar @ 15,767996 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
6 North_Ossetian @ 15,793551
7 Adygei @ 16,623984
8 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 17,592416
9 Abkhasian @ 17,802281
10 Georgian @ 17,871352
11 Nogai @ 18,135272 --> North Caucasian Turkic people
12 Armenian @ 18,799562
13 Greek @ 19,587151
14 Sicilian @ 19,638308
15 East_Sicilian @ 19,67336
16 Maltese @ 19,739169
17 Syrian @ 19,775049
18 Lebanese @ 19,807055
19 Chechen @ 19,897039
20 South_Italian @ 19,949916


Greek: top 20 populations
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 1,272398
2 Albanian @ 5,313888
3 West_Sicilian @ 5,445821
4 Tuscan @ 6,778147
5 Kosovar @ 7,219926
6 Sicilian @ 7,340131
7 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7,79465
8 East_Sicilian @ 9,210925
9 Maltese @ 9,513861
10 South_Italian @ 10,154467
11 Bergamo @ 11,668944
12 Bulgarian @ 12,920333
13 Macedonian @ 13,33898
14 Romanian @ 14,146702
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 15,105854
16 Montenegrin @ 16,082692
17 Moroccan_Jewish @ 16,831561
18 Moroccan_Jew @ 17,432505
19 Serbian @ 17,820834
20 Turkish_Balikesir @ 20,212987



Sicilian top 20 populations
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian @ 0,812396
2 East_Sicilian @ 2,409616
3 Maltese @ 2,552538
4 West_Sicilian @ 2,814863
5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 3,062419
6 South_Italian @ 4,090838
7 Greek @ 7,471302
8 Tuscan @ 8,727119
9 Sephardic_Jewish @ 9,016088
10 Moroccan_Jewish @ 10,070877
11 Moroccan_Jew @ 10,844853
12 Albanian @ 11,281786
13 Kosovar @ 12,92547
14 Bergamo @ 13,628091
15 Libyan_Jew @ 14,132393
16 Cyprian @ 16,250957
17 Cypriot @ 16,930616
18 Bulgarian @ 18,775849
19 Macedonian @ 19,20676
20 Romanian @ 19,845327



South_Italian top 20 populations
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 1,155875
2 East_Sicilian @ 2,847675
3 Maltese @ 3,951237
4 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 4,468145
5 Sicilian @ 4,852401
6 Sephardic_Jewish @ 5,268703
7 Moroccan_Jewish @ 6,91207
8 West_Sicilian @ 7,072868
9 Moroccan_Jew @ 7,517767
10 Libyan_Jew @ 10,506982
11 Greek @ 10,697877
12 Cyprian @ 12,302159
13 Tuscan @ 12,798345
14 Cypriot @ 12,940506
15 Albanian @ 15,072847
16 Kosovar @ 16,8763
17 Lebanese @ 17,515585
18 Bergamo @ 17,71876
19 Druze @ 18,772959
20 Palestinian @ 18,963542

[Danishmend]

Conclusion:

• Western Turks are closer to Eastern/Cappadocian Turks than to any foreign population (including Greeks, Sicilians, South Italians, Balkanites)

[brennus dux gallorum]

turks look closer to "balkanites" than to Italians or Greeks. Only a small part of them have pure med. features, and those live near the western coasts.

[user_]

What about Black Sea Turks?

[Böri]

What about Black Sea Turks?

Black Sea ethnic Turks (like me) are in the Turkish cluster. Laz people more like Georgians, more 'West Asian, and closer to Trans Kavkaz groups etc

[Danishmend]

What about Black Sea Turks?

Repost:

Northeast Anatolia/Eastern Black Sea region seems to have little-to-none Central Asian/Turkic admixture due to several historical reasons, Turks from this region are usually outliers and tend to be closer to native peoples of South Caucasus and Eastern Black Sea (such as Laz people) than to Turks from the rest of Anatolia. Central and Western Black Sea regions (west of Trabzon) on the other hand are within the main Turkish cluster.

[user_]

Repost:

Northeast Anatolia/Eastern Black Sea region seems to have little-to-none Central Asian/Turkic admixture due to several historical reasons, Turks from this region are usually outliers and tend to be closer to native peoples of South Caucasus and Eastern Black Sea (such as Laz people) than to Turks from the rest of Anatolia. Central and Western Black Sea regions (west of Trabzon) on the other hand are closer to Turkish average.

North Eastern Turks are the most pale, are not they?

[Sikeliot]

South Italians on the mainland are the only ones scoring Levant, which means they are closer to Levantines than either Turks, Greeks, or even Sicilians are (though I suspect if extended to top 25, Sicilians would score Lebanese but the others would not.

Can you do top 20 for East Sicilians and West Sicilians separately?

[Casandrinos]

Western Turks from Aydin are newcomer brought up from far Northeast. Stop this propaganda bullshit. Post some fellas from Constantinople , with non - Tatar ,Uzbek or some other non-Turkish ancestry with actual Mongol affinities.

[Danishmend]

Western Turks from Aydin are newcomer brought up from far Northeast. Stop this propaganda bullshit. Post some fellas from Constantinople , with non - Tatar ,Uzbek or some other non-Turkish ancestry with actual Mongol affinities.

All of them are native ethnic Turks of Aydın and Balıkesir (see Hodoğlugil & Mahley, 2012 - in case you don't trust me). Gültekin for example is from West Anatolia too and he is identical to these Turks. 90% of Istanbul's inhabitants are from different regions of the country, it is a cosmopolitan city. Stop posting garbage.

South Italians on the mainland are the only ones scoring Levant, which means they are closer to Levantines than either Turks, Greeks, or even Sicilians are (though I suspect if extended to top 25, Sicilians would score Lebanese but the others would not.

Can you do top 20 for East Sicilians and West Sicilians separately?

East Sicilian top 20

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_Sicilian @ 0,984204
2 South_Italian @ 1,933439
3 Maltese @ 2,079361
4 Sicilian @ 2,878833
5 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 3,306755
6 West_Sicilian @ 5,222845
7 Sephardic_Jewish @ 6,656762
8 Moroccan_Jewish @ 7,869781
9 Moroccan_Jew @ 8,637523
10 Greek @ 9,476962
11 Tuscan @ 11,033118
12 Libyan_Jew @ 11,82202
13 Albanian @ 13,59157
14 Cyprian @ 14,159917
15 Cypriot @ 14,742305
16 Kosovar @ 15,291495
17 Bergamo @ 15,874133
18 Lebanese @ 18,625408
19 Palestinian @ 20,145736
20 Jordanian @ 20,153163


West Sicilian top 20

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Sicilian @ 0,748488
2 Sicilian @ 2,646117
3 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 4,680697
4 East_Sicilian @ 4,903355
5 Maltese @ 4,92875
6 Greek @ 5,532541
7 Tuscan @ 6,377988
8 South_Italian @ 6,490566
9 Albanian @ 8,905388
10 Kosovar @ 10,414017
11 Bergamo @ 11,379669
12 Sephardic_Jewish @ 11,5285
13 Moroccan_Jewish @ 12,660306
14 Moroccan_Jew @ 13,440437
15 Bulgarian @ 16,328909
16 Libyan_Jew @ 16,700314
17 Macedonian @ 16,713789
18 Romanian @ 17,391002
19 Cyprian @ 18,435449
20 Cypriot @ 19,198076