Everything "was imported", the question is not whether it came from outside, but WHEN!Also, it's important the routes. Was this Southern-Euro imported from outside or exported outside ? The west-asian component seems clearly to have been introduced in Europe from the Caucasus/Iranian Plateau.
And you can't know for sure when "Mediterranean" came from outside - always thinking about the fact, that this is the result of an admixture run, probably there is something like ancestral component behind it, probably NOT.
Or probably a component which peaks now in Georgians or Iran, but came from somewhere else and transformed in Europe in something different for the most part, like "Western European".
You see it the wrong way, because the pre-Semitic Eastern Mediterranean people in ancient times were MUCH CLOSER to Europeans by default and elements related to them entered Europe on a most likely MASSIVE SCALE in Neolithic times.yes, but that's the only european part they have. Otherwise, Lebanese would be 70% european, which is ridiculous. There has never been a massive presence of Europeans in the Levant. Also, the Morocco Jews have REAL european admixture, since some of them were sephardites expelled from Iberia.
If they wouldn't have changed that much in between or changed in a simlar way as Europeans, they would still be Europeans - but as things are, they did change, racially, genetically, culturally - for various reasons, some mentioned above, yet individually many still prove the now more distant, but still present, relatedness.
Yet the Basques and Sardinians often get their own distant clusters, sometimes even further aways from other Europeans than some non-Europeans, in various genetic analysis.That's not true, there is no isolation. See the surrounding areas of the Caucasus (Iranian plateau) have also very high levels of WA. And the surrounding areas of Basques, are genetically similar to them.
And of course, I spoke of relative isolation, which means there was no constant genflow going from the Caucasus-Anatolia to Northern Europe. There was most likely one or more MAJOR events of such kinds, during the Mesolithic and Neolithic colonisation periods in particular, but afterwards the isolation by distance worked out and from a certain time on, other factors, including languages and culture, helped to increase the distance.
Isn't it interesting that the Basques are often in their own cluster and being oftentimes used as reference for "the West" - now the Caucasians are linguistically largely isolated too, some even proposed ancient links to the Basques, but the crucial point is: They were not part of the later Indo-European story.
I wouldn't wonder if a major reason for the West Asian component as it is visible especially in the latest runs is the prominent position of the Caucasian relative isolates as representative of a more general West Asian base.
These relative isolates seem to define themselves, whereas others being defined BY THEM in such admixture runs.
That is often a problem it seems...
Here is an example of how extremes can affect the whole result:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/06/e...-update-1.htmlOriginally Posted by Polako
The WA in the Dodecad K-12 results seems to be pretty balanced, but still one has to keep in mind their special history and I really doubt the origin was in the Caucasus anyway, but rather it is where it was best preserved...
We don't even know if the indo-european presence was MASSIVE in Europe.Irrelevant, because Indo-Europeans themselves (or their forebears) migrated from Asia into Europe anyway. So we are talking about progenitors of Europeans, not necessarily modern Europeans who have settled there.
What pre-Semitic people ? What makes you believes the populations have changed in the now semitic areas ? Sounds to me like a fairy tale.You see it the wrong way, because the pre-Semitic Eastern Mediterranean people in ancient times were MUCH CLOSER to Europeans by default and elements related to them entered Europe on a most likely MASSIVE SCALE in Neolithic times.
Sorry, that's all fantasy. There is no reason to believe that Ancient West-Asians where a different population than now.If they wouldn't have changed that much in between or changed in a simlar way as Europeans, they would still be Europeans - but as things are, they did change, racially, genetically, culturally - for various reasons, some mentioned above, yet individually many still prove the now more distant, but still present, relatedness.
That's because we don't have in-between populations to fill the gaps, that's why they seem to look isolated. If we were to include surrounding areas we would see a continuum.Yet the Basques and Sardinians often get their own distant clusters, sometimes even further aways from other Europeans than some non-Europeans, in various genetic analysis.
1 Georgians 72.3
2 Lezgins 64.6
3 Adygei 62.9
4 Armenian_D 54
5 Assyrian_D 50.6
6 Iranian_D 49.3
7 Urkarah 47.2
8 Azerbaijan_Jews 43.4
9 Kalash 42.9
10 Kurd 41.8
11 Iraq_Jews 41.3
12 Turkish_D 41.1
13 Druze 40.7
14 Iranian_Jews 40.6
15 Georgia_Jews 38.9
16 Stalskoe 38.9
17 Uzbekistan_Jews 38.4
18 Makrani 35.5
19 Samaritans 35.2
20 Cypriots 35.1
21 Brahui 34.8
22 Balochi 33.6
23 Syrians 33.6
24 Lebanese 32.4
25 Palestinian 30.6
26 Jordanians_19 29.3
Code:POP Eeuro Weuro Medit NeoAfr WeAsi Sasian NEAsia SEAsia Eafrica SwAsia NwAfric PalAfri Dhimmi* populations for ~ 1500 years, save for the Druze Levant through Mesopotamia ASY 0.6 0.7 26.7 0.0 49.1 2.9 0.1 0.2 0.0 19.5 0.3 0.0 MAN 0.8 2.4 27.4 0.3 43.0 6.4 0.6 0.0 0.0 19.2 0.0 0.0 IQJ 0.4 2.1 28.2 0.1 41.3 4.4 0.0 0.1 0.7 22.0 0.8 0.0 DRZ 0.4 2.6 31.5 0.4 40.7 0.6 0.1 0.2 1.8 20.0 1.4 0.2 IRJ 0.9 2.7 26.9 0.0 40.6 5.9 0.2 0.2 1.0 20.5 1.0 0.0 SAM 0.1 1.6 32.2 0.2 35.2 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.9 25.9 2.8 0.0 Levantine Arab Muslims Levant SYR 2.3 1.8 23.8 2.2 33.6 3.3 0.5 0.5 1.9 28.4 0.9 0.9 LEB 2.5 1.2 28.8 1.9 32.4 1.4 0.7 1.0 3.1 23.9 2.2 0.9 PAL 0.3 2.3 27.4 2.4 30.6 1.0 0.2 0.3 5.5 24.7 3.9 1.5 JOR 1.0 0.7 26.9 2.3 29.3 1.6 0.4 0.6 4.7 28.7 2.5 1.3*The Status of Non-Muslim Minorities Under Islamic Rule
Dhimmitude: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious aspects of the political system. The word "dhimmitude" comes from dhimmi, an Arabic word meaning "protected". Dhimmi was the name applied by the Arab-Muslim conquerors to indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. Islamic conquests expanded over vast territories in Africa, Europe and Asia, for over a millennium (638-1683). The Muslim empire incorporated numerous varied peoples which had their own religion, culture, language and civilization. For centuries, these indigenous, pre-Islamic peoples constituted the great majority of the population of the Islamic lands. Although these populations differed, they were ruled by the same type of laws, based on the shari'a.
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