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    Quote Originally Posted by Transhumanist View Post
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    POP	Eeuro	Weuro	Medit	NeoAfr	WeAsi	Sasian	NEAsia	SEAsia	Eafrica	SwAsia	NwAfric	PalAfri
    
    Dhimmi* populations for ~ 1500 years, save for the Druze
    Levant through Mesopotamia
    ASY	0.6	0.7	26.7	0.0	49.1	2.9	0.1	0.2	0.0	19.5	0.3	0.0
    MAN	0.8	2.4	27.4	0.3	43.0	6.4	0.6	0.0	0.0	19.2	0.0	0.0
    IQJ	0.4	2.1	28.2	0.1	41.3	4.4	0.0	0.1	0.7	22.0	0.8	0.0
    DRZ	0.4	2.6	31.5	0.4	40.7	0.6	0.1	0.2	1.8	20.0	1.4	0.2
    IRJ	0.9	2.7	26.9	0.0	40.6	5.9	0.2	0.2	1.0	20.5	1.0	0.0
    SAM	0.1	1.6	32.2	0.2	35.2	0.0	0.1	0.0	1.9	25.9	2.8	0.0
    
    Levantine Arab Muslims
    Levant
    SYR	2.3	1.8	23.8	2.2	33.6	3.3	0.5	0.5	1.9	28.4	0.9	0.9
    LEB	2.5	1.2	28.8	1.9	32.4	1.4	0.7	1.0	3.1	23.9	2.2	0.9
    PAL	0.3	2.3	27.4	2.4	30.6	1.0	0.2	0.3	5.5	24.7	3.9	1.5
    JOR	1.0	0.7	26.9	2.3	29.3	1.6	0.4	0.6	4.7	28.7	2.5	1.3
    Actually they look extremy similar. What's more, the levantine arabs have more Eastern-European, contrary to these fairy tales which say ancient levantines where supposedly more european looking and closer to Europeans, than modern ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    West Asian seems to peak just north of the Caucasus, which is technically Europe - by your own map that you posted.
    Well, I was talking about the area where the West-Asia is the first component, that's the area in the red numbers in the map, the Iranian Plateau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    Well, I was talking about the area where the West-Asia is the first component, that's the area in the red numbers in the map, the Iranian Plateau.
    Me too, can you not see that the highest three red numbers are north of the Caucasus, and not on the Iranian plateau?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post

    Yet the Basques and Sardinians often get their own distant clusters, sometimes even further aways from other Europeans than some non-Europeans, in various genetic analysis.

    n was in the Caucasus anyway, but rather it is where it was best preserved...
    Btw, basques and Sardinians were NOT used in this run. They were included AFTER the run, which means after the components were already settled based on the populations included. And you cannot talk of the mediterranean component as isolated, since it peaks in North-Italians and Spaniards. Once the sardinians were inlcuded after the initial run, they showed the highest frequency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Me too, can you not see that the highest three red numbers are north of the Caucasus, and not on the Iranian plateau?
    Yes, the ones who barely make it into Europe :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The fact that West Asian is close to Northern European (as Kadu coincidentally pointed out) should tell you something.
    Yes, Loki. I think it not a coincidence a great many European Y-DNA lines had their likely origins in West Asia. And, in particular, the area where "West Asian" is at least ~50%. The Caucasus, E Anatolia, N Iran, and N Mesopotamia. Many varieties of J1, J2, R1b, T, G2a, and other European haplogroups have their greatest diversity in the area. Basically, the region in varying shades of blue, on simranjits' Jatt Gene "West Asian" map:



    http://blog.jattdna.org/

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    Anyways, the West-Asian component is minoritary in Europe, the average is about 8% for all Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    Anyways, the West-Asian component is minoritary in Europe, the average is about 8% for all Europe.
    Yes. It most certainly is a minority element in today's Europeans. I do not believe the other gentlemen were arguing that it was not a minority element, however.

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    Also the program of professor Dr. McDonald doesn't count the Georgians/Caucasus as European, they have their own genetic group, I beleive it's something like Antaolian/Caucasus

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    Ok. I have worked out the kinks in my spreadsheet and have double checked the calculations of my personal results with Day Tripper. Here are the new charts:

    Mine:



    Loki:



    Pallantides:



    Kadu:



    Frederick:



    Bastarnae:



    Barreldriver:



    The spreadsheet will be up next after I make it idiot proof.

    Loki and I are Germanic, Kadu is a Med, Frederick is a Hunnic Viking, Pallantides is a Kelt incognito, Barrel is so Keltic it is ridiculous, and Bastarnae is a gypsy.

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