Free Will vs Determinism

[Sarmatian]

If there would be any god which is - as most say - almighty, then only determinism is logically possible.

Are you denying possibility of almighty being giving certain freedom of choice to his creations?

[Bezprym]

Are you denying possibility of almighty being giving certain freedom of choice to his creations?

Yes.

[Sarmatian]

Yes.

Care to elaborate why?

[Bezprym]

Care to elaborate why?

If God gave free will to people, then he cannot intervene in their decisions, hence is not almighty. If God is almighty, there's no free will.

[Sarmatian]

If God gave free will to people, then he cannot intervene in their decisions, hence is not almighty. If God is almighty, there's no free will.

Makes sense. But what if almighty being gave free will to humans in same way as we give certain degree of freedom to fish in aquarium? Fish could swim anywhere it likes but within the limits of aquarium. Same with God and humans: God created universe, established some physics laws, created Earth (aquarium) and placed some creatures on it. Some of creatures, plants and animals, are strictly programmed with instincts while others, humans, have full free will within limits of planet and laws of physics. Yet God as almighty could intervene into this aquarium at any time as he pleases. He just prefer to observe the experiment from aside.

[Bezprym]

Makes sense. But what if almighty being gave free will to humans in same way as we give certain degree of freedom to fish in aquarium? Fish could swim anywhere it likes but within the limits of aquarium. Same with God and humans: God created universe, established some physics laws, created Earth (aquarium) and placed some creatures on it. Some of creatures, plants and animals, are strictly programmed with instincts while others, humans, have full free will within limits of planet and laws of physics. Yet God as almighty could intervene into this aquarium at any time as he pleases. He just prefer to observe the experiment from aside.

Then his love and compassion is debatable. Anyway, the problem with humans and fish in aquarium is that we are not almighty, not even towards this fish. We cannot teach them to walk, we cannot resurrect them. Almighty God theoretically can. I get what you mean though. But claiming the possibility of doing something, but not willing to do this is like a sportsman would say to someone: "I can beat the best score, I just don't want to". Not much convincing

[Ilma]

Free will, always. But I admit we are influenced by a lot of bias in our life (education, values, personnality, events etc).

[Herr Abubu]

If there would be any god which is - as most say - almighty, then only determinism is logically possible.

lol

[Insuperable]

If God gave free will to people, then he cannot intervene in their decisions, hence is not almighty. If God is almighty, there's no free will.

People were created in the image of God possessing self consciousness and free will. Everything else is a pointless chattering. If it was any other way you would then claim how evil God is for not providing free will.

[Sarmatian]

Then his love and compassion is debatable. Anyway, the problem with humans and fish in aquarium is that we are not almighty, not even towards this fish. We cannot teach them to walk, we cannot resurrect them. Almighty God theoretically can. I get what you mean though. But claiming the possibility of doing something, but not willing to do this is like a sportsman would say to someone: "I can beat the best score, I just don't want to". Not much convincing

You implying that since God is almighty he should make everything right, should eliminate all evil in life and turn Earth into paradise. But what if current life on Earth was actually intended to be sort of experiment in which certain species were given full freedom within 'aquarium' just to see what will it grow into? It could be the way God learning new things himself and we serving as generators of new feelings and ideas.