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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkin Waziri Sanusi View Post
    Hmm can you try Iran Neolithic K6 or Gedrosia ANE K6?

    Unfortunately Cambodians are the only Southeast Asian population that I saw in calculators that break ASI and West Eurasian components.

    In Iran Neolithic K6 and ANE K6, Cambodians are around 7% and 6.3% West Eurasian (Iran Neolithic+Natufian for the former, ANE+Natufian for the latter). You can also find both calculators here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1108042089
    Iran Neolithic K6:
    9.05% Ancestral_S_Eurasian
    86.02% East_Asian
    1.70% Iran_Neolithic
    2.48% Natufian
    0.75% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    ANE K6:
    1 East_Asian 87.14
    2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 8
    3 Natufian 2.03
    4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.6
    5 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 1.23

    Hmm maybe my West-Eurasian on these is mostly the Spanish I got on 23andme...On the Eurasia K9 ASI calc I posted earlier I got 4.12% CHG which I normally don't get + some WHG & ENF which is probably representing the minor Iberian I got on 23andme.

    ...You know what would be cool- is if 23andme-FTDNA etc would offer a more refined admixture view for ancient populations and percentages. I await for that day to come.

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    Here's a Tongan who also got some CHG:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazouzu View Post
    Iran Neolithic K6:
    9.05% Ancestral_S_Eurasian
    86.02% East_Asian
    1.70% Iran_Neolithic
    2.48% Natufian
    0.75% WHG
    0.00% Sub_Saharan

    ANE K6:
    1 East_Asian 87.14
    2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 8
    3 Natufian 2.03
    4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.6
    5 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 1.23

    Hmm maybe my West-Eurasian on these is mostly the Spanish I got on 23andme...On the Eurasia K9 ASI calc I posted earlier I got 4.12% CHG which I normally don't get + some WHG & ENF which is probably representing the minor Iberian I got on 23andme.

    ...You know what would be cool- is if 23andme-FTDNA etc would offer a more refined admixture view for ancient populations and percentages. I await for that day to come.
    How much West Eurasian do you get in most calculators? Also how much West Eurasian do other Filipinos get? Have you seen ones with really high percentage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkin Waziri Sanusi View Post
    How much West Eurasian do you get in most calculators? Also how much West Eurasian do other Filipinos get? Have you seen ones with really high percentage?
    I usually get around 3.75-4.5%, and it usually shows up as Greek on the gedmatch oracle lol. On 23andme maybe rougly half of all Filipinos might score a few percentage points only, maybe like .5-5.5%, and more rarely it sometimes reaches towards 8%+. On Gedmatch it's about the same as with 23andme, just a very minor amount. Here are some Filipino 'puntDNAL K15' results (very minor W-Eurasian in this case)(I haven't tried the other calculators for them though): http://imgur.com/a/KywWj

    Some filipino 23andme compositions: http://imgur.com/a/7JIaz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkin Waziri Sanusi View Post
    Do you know if SE Asians like Thais, Malays, Cambodians, Indonesians, Burmese have some West Eurasian admix and how much? I heard South Indians have around 40-50% of their genomes derived from ANI or West Eurasia.

    I heard that they have a lot of interactions with South Indians like trading, cultural, religious and even likely many intermarriages between two groups and assimilation of South Indians into the SE Asian society.
    In Indonesia, you would find the area of Sumatra to have a high degree of Indian and Arab admixture.

    Also, according to genetic studies, Bali, Indonesia, a Hindu area in Muslim Indonesia, has a a percentage of 12% Indian Y-DNA in their total genepool.

    In contrast, eight other haplogroups (e.g., within H, J, L, and R), making up approximately 12% of the Balinese paternal gene pool, appear to have migrated to Bali from India.

    Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16114819

    Filipinos also have Western Eurasian ancestry (And also Native-American ones to boot)

    Old censuses during Spanish-times say that 1/3rd of the Filipinos that live in the main island of Luzon, which is the most populous, have Spanish admixture (The origins of which, span from Spain to Latin-America)

    Recent genetic studies reveal that around 13.33% of the people of the Philippines also have Spanish Y-DNA



    The Spanish Y-DNA, R1b, can be found among 13.33% of the Philippine population.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipi...enetic_studies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    In Indonesia, you would find the area of Sumatra to have a high degree of Indian and Arab admixture.

    Also, according to genetic studies, Bali, Indonesia, a Hindu area in Muslim Indonesia, has a a percentage of 12% Indian Y-DNA in their total genepool.

    In contrast, eight other haplogroups (e.g., within H, J, L, and R), making up approximately 12% of the Balinese paternal gene pool, appear to have migrated to Bali from India.

    Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16114819

    Filipinos also have Western Eurasian ancestry (And also Native-American ones to boot)

    Old censuses during Spanish-times say that 1/3rd of the Filipinos that live in the main island of Luzon, which is the most populous, have Spanish admixture (The origins of which, span from Spain to Latin-America)

    Recent genetic studies reveal that around 13.33% of the people of the Philippines also have Spanish Y-DNA



    The Spanish Y-DNA, R1b, can be found among 13.33% of the Philippine population.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipi...enetic_studies
    23andme gave me the basal Y-dna haplogroup "C". Since I'm Filipino is it likely that my Y-dna is some branch of C2 instead of C3?..I do not really know much about haplogroups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazouzu View Post
    23andme gave me the basal Y-dna haplogroup "C". Since I'm Filipino is it likely that my Y-dna is some branch of C2 instead of C3?..I do not really know much about haplogroups.
    Your Y-DNA is pretty rare and only occurs among 6% of the Philippine population.
    Last edited by Selurong; 10-18-2016 at 11:08 AM.

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    Burmese and Thai have some minor S Asian I know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazouzu View Post
    Apparently it's the 'Eurasia K9 ASI' gedmatch calculator that will separate the ASI from the West-Eurasian in South Asians...The West-Eurasian/CHG will for sure be higher in Thais-Malays-Cambodians-Indonesians-Burmese than in Filipinos; Filipino are more likely to have higher WHG and ENF from Spanish influence I would think.

    Here's my results:


    -I don't have any kit #'s for other SE-Asians though but I'd love to see some of their results for this calculator!
    Here's mine...
    Population
    SE_Asian 75.99
    Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.36
    SW_Asian -
    Ancestral_South_Indian 6.86
    Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 0.62
    WHG -
    Siberian_E_Asian 11.87
    Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 2.60
    W_African 1.70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    In Indonesia, you would find the area of Sumatra to have a high degree of Indian and Arab admixture.

    Also, according to genetic studies, Bali, Indonesia, a Hindu area in Muslim Indonesia, has a a percentage of 12% Indian Y-DNA in their total genepool.

    In contrast, eight other haplogroups (e.g., within H, J, L, and R), making up approximately 12% of the Balinese paternal gene pool, appear to have migrated to Bali from India.

    Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16114819

    Filipinos also have Western Eurasian ancestry (And also Native-American ones to boot)

    Old censuses during Spanish-times say that 1/3rd of the Filipinos that live in the main island of Luzon, which is the most populous, have Spanish admixture (The origins of which, span from Spain to Latin-America)

    Recent genetic studies reveal that around 13.33% of the people of the Philippines also have Spanish Y-DNA



    The Spanish Y-DNA, R1b, can be found among 13.33% of the Philippine population.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipi...enetic_studies
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