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    Default How Hillary Will Steal the Election. After Trump wins it

    Wake Me When It’s Over
    By Christopher Manion
    October 20, 2016
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    The election will be held on November 8.

    That doesn’t mean that the election will be over on November 8.

    In the Constitution, we read that the president is to be elected by the “Electoral College,” with state electoral delegations meeting in their various capitals to cast their ballots and forward them to the president of the United States Senate.

    Those electors, and not the voters of the various states, will elect the next president.

    Unless they don’t.

    Electors are apportioned to reflect the number of Senators and Representatives of each state. That number totals 535. Add three for the District of Columbia, and you have 538, which is why the winner of the election must have 270 electoral votes to be declared the winner.

    Now when do the electors vote? The meeting of the electors takes place on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December after the presidential election., which this year falls on December 19th. Let’s focus on those electors.

    If Trump wins, by no matter how great or small margin, we cannot expect what he calls the “Corporate Media” and the Obama-Clinton Machine suddenly to capitulate, admit defeat, promise to behave from now on, and dutifully report the steps taken by the Trump transition team in anticipation of Inauguration Day.

    No. To coin a phrase, they will try to “Rig the Election.”

    These critters thrive on chaos, and they will foment more of it. And why not? If Trump wins, November 9 will find ClintonWorld reeling at the edge of the abyss, badly losing in the last battle of an apocalyptic war. They will fight back fiercely and fraudulently and feel no compunction in using any and all means to find a Star Trek escape hatch as the air runs out on the flight deck.

    Their first line of attack will be the Electoral College. Like the card sharks in Central Park, they will stack the deck, create a new narrative, and begin a drumbeat – both public and private – to turn Trump’s electors.

    Let’s say Trump wins with 279 electoral votes. For Hillary’s “sh*t agitators,” that means 279 juicy targets.

    Over the years, most electoral slates comprise dependable backers of their party – which is the problem that the media will immediately create, and then exploit.

    Now let’s suppose, that, on the day after the election, all those electors firmly intend to cast their vote for Donald Trump.

    That doesn’t mean that they will.

    After all, many of those hard and party activists constitute the very establishment that Trump ran against in the primaries as well as the general election. Well, they might be persuaded to have second thoughts.

    The identity of electors is public knowledge.

    The Clinton Sh*t Kickers can take a variety of approaches to persuade electors in the various Trump states to come to their senses, reconsider, and either vote for Hillary (on the basis of new, “shocking” revelations regarding Trump), or throw their vote away and throw the election into the House of Representatives, safely run by Paul Ryan or Nancy Pelosi.

    In those forty days before December 19, an avalanche of “public” (read: Establishment) pressure will focus on a small number of people who will be totally unprepared and unprotected.

    But even that campaign might not work. So what other avenues of persuasion are available?

    Enter Obama.

    In this enterprise, the National Narcissist will not stand idly by. He has the key to that escape hatch. It’s called the NSA.

    Don’t think for a moment that the man who corrupted the “incorruptible” FBI cannot corrupt the NSA, which is full of criminal hackers recruited by clandestine overlords who routinely and secretly break the law simply because they can.

    Quickly, the digital dossiers of those 279 Trump electors will be on the desk of Michelle Obama’s library in her private White House quarters, the same desk on which over 100 FBI files of those on Hillary’s Enemies List mysteriously turned up some 20 years ago.

    279 electors. “All we need is ten,” David Axelrod might observe: he might even say so in public, sending a simple message to those electors: “is there anything in your past that you might want to keep private? We have it all, you know.”

    Ah – but let us further suppose that the GOP has fielded 279 resilient and stalwart citizens who refuse to be blackmailed, who have nothing to hide.

    Okay, enough of that.

    On reflection, the Sh*t-Kickers might not even need the actual NSA material. All they need is for the electors to fear that they might have it.

    “Want to have a happy, peaceful life,” they will ask.

    “Want to have a life at all?”

    All they need is ten.

    In the disputed election of 1876, in which Republican Rutherford Hayes defeated New York Governor Samuel Tilden by one electoral vote, one James Madison Wells, who was responsible for returning Louisiana’s Republican electoral votes to the Congress, tried to sell them for $1,000,000 to Congressman Abram Hewitt, Chairman of the Democratic party, and to Tilden.

    A tidy sum in those days. But Hewitt and Tilden refused.

    Would Hillary? Or Saudi Arabia? Or George Soros?

    The dream didn’t die in 1876. In the disputed election of 2000, Al Gore campaign operative Bob Beckel admitted on Fox News that “I’m trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes.”

    No one disputed Beckel’s assertion when he said, “The Constitution gives me the right to send a piece of mail to an elector.”

    “Whatever it takes.”

    Fast forward 16 years – past the Patriot Act, past Eric Snowden, past Wikileaks – and consider David Axelrod sending a more current version of such a letter to a selection of Donald Trump’s electors.

    And what if that letter merely read, “We know where you live”?

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    Sounds like turd world, banana republic shit...

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    Scary but I would believe it. I don't think the establishment would accept a Trump victory.
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    On rigging the elections
    8:33 am on October 20,
    Michael S. Rozeff

    Very close elections are prone to be settled by fraud, because it takes so few votes to decide the contest. If only a few votes separate two contestants, then non-voting influences have more scope to alter vote tallies by a number of fraudulent means and/or means that exploit legal vulnerabilities. It’s far easier to steal a close election than one in which the votes provide a clear margin of victory.

    The 1876 election in the Tilden-Hayes contest was marked by serious fraud issues and allegations. It was settled by an extra-constitutional compromise between the two parties.

    The Nixon-JFK election of 1960 is a memorable case of another close election in which fraud played a critical role. Texas and Illinois (Chicago) were the fraud centers.

    The close election of 2000 (Bush, Gore) is a third recent presidential example. Gore won the popular vote by a significant margin (500,000 votes). That was not close. Florida swung the electoral vote to Bush. The Florida voting was extremely close. This made the contest vulnerable to all sorts of external influences in which the result is not fairly caused by voters’ intentions and choices but is caused by external powers and decisions.

    The Clinton-Trump contest is not predicted to be close at this time. Clinton is expected to win by over 5 percent of the popular vote. Fraud may occur and probably will occur, but it’s unlikely to be so systematic as to outweigh the expected margin of a Clinton win.

    This doesn’t mean that the elections in America work well, fairly or properly to accomplish their goal of voter selection of candidates. There are numerous faults and failures within the American systems of elections. One could write a book on these. These are where vote rigging come in.

    The mechanics alone open up many problems that influence results. Who votes? Can people be bused in? Who is allowed to vote? At what age? With what property? With what criminal or non-criminal requirements? What are the registration rules? How is identification handled? How are absentee ballots handled? Where do people vote? How do they vote? What are the legal voting hours? How are votes counted? What do people get to vote on? How are initiatives and referenda handled? What do representatives get to vote on once they are elected? The rules and methods are where rigging occurs. The introduction of women voting and/or married women voting altered outcomes and eventually national policies. Gerrymandering is another issue.

    Then there is the question of the influence of money and other favors on elections, on the votes of representatives on specific issues, and on the policies chosen by bureaucrats and selected officials. There is the question of quid pro quos via job offers and speaking engagement fees after a candidate leaves office and/or prepares to run for a new office.

    There are extremely serious questions of voting irregularities within the systems used by the major parties. The nomination processes can be rigged and heavily influenced by various means, and we have seen this in the Clinton-Sanders case. We’ve also seen it on the other side. Control over convention rules is one such means.

    When there are debates, unfairness and bias enter in numerous ways. Leaking questions to a favored candidate is an obvious one, but there are many more subtle ways of biasing the debate.

    Elections are prone to become dirtier and dirtier as they near the election date. The time left to answer charges and counter them becomes shorter and shorter. Undecided voters will be influenced by the publicity.

    Media bias is an extremely important and basically uncontrolled factor. The current election has been, in my opinion, unbelievably one-sided in this respect, favoring Clinton and constantly attacking Trump. I say this based on armchair empiricism. I can’t remember such one-sided media publicity. Every day I have scanned the headlines and articles using Google News. And every day there have been anti-Trump stories from all sorts of angles. Most of these misinterpret his remarks and thought, take them out of context and exaggerate. Meanwhile, Clinton’s very real illegalities and failures are played way down. Scandals that would torpedo anyone else are ignored. I sense that the Clinton campaign is operating full blast to spread disinformation about Trump and to dominate the media with stories, suggested and planted, to discredit him. Either his campaign has not sunk to this abysmal level or the media avoid such stories about Clinton.

    American voting rules do not preclude this kind of media bias. We have free political speech. It’s up to voters to deal with what they are hearing and reading.

    Is this media bias a form of rigging and fraud? There is no contract between voters and their “information” sources in media or on the internet. This basically rules out fraud between media and voters, apart from libel and slander. However, one can say almost anything about a candidate. A public figure cannot make a legal libel or slander case without proving that the accused slanderer operated with malicious intent or reckless disregard for the truth. Candidates do not bring such cases for any number of reasons.

    The result is a free-for-all in which the rigging and/or fraud operates at a different level than literally manipulating votes in all the ways mentioned earlier, including hacking into computer systems. This communications level is not policed in America by anything other than the good sense of voters, and it’s difficult to see how it could be. Yet if voters gain most of their information from biased media sources, how can we expect anything but biased voting decisions to result?

    The biggest media bias is that the media are geared to selling stories. They are an entertainment vehicle. The content of that entertainment varies, just as what Hollywood finds popular goes through cycles. Sometimes serious drama sells, sometimes horror stories, sometimes war movies, sometimes noir, sometimes comedy, etc. With the press, it’s the same. If trivial sex escapades are selling and not serious issues of war and peace, those are the stories that will prevail. If people are really concerned with Hillary’s reported bi-sexuality or Trump’s reported groping, those will dominate the current headlines until they are bumped off by some other headlines.

    With registered voters, Clinton was recently at 59% unfavorable and Trump at 60% unfavorable. Neither candidate has succeeded in projecting to voters a positive conception of how they’d handle the presidency. Each is branded unfavorably. Is this on important issues like war and peace? My guess is that it’s not. My guess is that Clinton is seen as dishonest and perhaps incompetent because of her scandals while Trump is seen as sexist and racist.

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    lol
    This has never really happened in US history before. Unlikely.

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    She doesn't need to rig the election. The media machine as well as Trump's own scumbag history and NPD have doomed him. The election doesn't have to be rigged, Trump has no chance of winning, zero.

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    Due to the fact that the majority of people believe the big media like CNN, Trump was set up to lose from the start. He has no chance since the media bias against him has been unprecedented. So with this considered, the election has already been rigged. Good luck to Trump, he's going to need it. Democracy my arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Due to the fact that the majority of people believe the big media like CNN, Trump was set up to lose from the start. He has no chance since the media bias against him has been unprecedented. So with this considered, the election has already been rigged. Good luck to Trump, he's going to need it. Democracy my arse.
    Hillary's media machine is destroying him. And his immature behavior, which he can't help because he truly is a narcissistic man child, isn't helping him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Due to the fact that the majority of people believe the big media like CNN, Trump was set up to lose from the start. He has no chance since the media bias against him has been unprecedented. So with this considered, the election has already been rigged. Good luck to Trump, he's going to need it. Democracy my arse.
    This is only the beginning.

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    One way or the other, if Trump is not president, the world will explode.
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    I kinda agree with you Norse. This is probably America's last chance to save itself, and the world.
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