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    OMG this is so cool , it sounds like an hybrid of some north italian dialect (especially when the guy says "professiun" ) and spanish lol

    I remember talking in France with a spanish lady , I could totally understand her so she was talking Occitan (or by reading your comments) or catalan .

    I cant understand anything of castillan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    it sounds like an hybrid of some north italian dialect (especially when the guy says "professiun" )
    Well, Piemontese is pretty close. Way more than other Northern Italian dialects.

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    Occitan, being that they are related languages.

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    Most languages have distinctive accents, but Catalan has lost that feature and replaced it with the standard Spanish accent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXD60 View Post
    Most languages have distinctive accents, but Catalan has lost that feature and replaced it with the standard Spanish accent.
    Yes, minority languages tend to adjust to the predominant phonological system in the area. For instance just like Frisian (which is supposed to be the most similar to English among Continental Germanic languages) that doesn't sound even remotely like anything English but sounds absolutely like Dutch, or like Breton sounding exactly like mainstream French.

    However it's quite possible that Catalan didn't replicate Castilian phonology but that both Castilian Spanish and Catalan were from the beginning strongly influenced by the pre-IE Iberian languages (Basque among others). Roman writers in ancient times reported the peculiar Iberian way of confusing "b" and "v" sounds : "Beati hispani, quibus vivere bibere est", = "Happy Hispanics, for which living is drinking!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Yes, minority languages tend to adjust to the predominant phonological system in the area. For instance just like Frisian (which is supposed to be the most similar to English among Continental Germanic languages) that doesn't sound even remotely like anything English but sounds absolutely like Dutch, or like Breton sounding exactly like mainstream French.

    However it's quite possible that Catalan didn't replicate Castilian phonology but that both Castilian Spanish and Catalan were from the beginning strongly influenced by the pre-IE Iberian languages (Basque among others). Roman writers in ancient times reported the peculiar Iberian way of confusing "b" and "v" sounds : "Beati hispani, quibus vivere bibere est", = "Happy Hispanics, for which living is drinking!"
    Yes, of course, the majority accent eventually dominates, but this probably fully achieved completion in the 20th century with increased mobility and intermarriage, etc., and I'm still awaiting the discovery of an early recording from an isolated countryside Catalan speaker.
    The accent switch also happened to a minor extent in a small southeast portion of Louisiana where some speakers pronounce French "belle" halfway like English "bell", and "bail", complete with the borrowed -l !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Yes, minority languages tend to adjust to the predominant phonological system in the area. For instance just like Frisian (which is supposed to be the most similar to English among Continental Germanic languages) that doesn't sound even remotely like anything English but sounds absolutely like Dutch, or like Breton sounding exactly like mainstream French.

    However it's quite possible that Catalan didn't replicate Castilian phonology but that both Castilian Spanish and Catalan were from the beginning strongly influenced by the pre-IE Iberian languages (Basque among others). Roman writers in ancient times reported the peculiar Iberian way of confusing "b" and "v" sounds : "Beati hispani, quibus vivere bibere est", = "Happy Hispanics, for which living is drinking!"
    Greeks have the same, but they replace b with v, for example, albanos - alvanos.

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