Bitter Harvest: 2017 Hollywood movie about the Holodomor

[Shkembe Chorba]

Go fuck yourself, you fucking katsap son of whore.

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[silentkiller]

Your idiotic way of attacking someone's country when they dont agree with you (rightfully).
Russians accusing of state-leaded propaganda is a wonderful The country in which Leviathan was called unrealistic or something, because it pictured Russians drinking vodka (because Russians are too busy with making the Russian mir and have no time for alcohol)

Honestly, opinion of Bulgarian attention whore is irrelevant to me.

[Shkembe Chorba]

And again, attacking the country. You are so basic, mate.

First look at your damn appearance, then talk shit. Bloody hopeless.

[ЛыSSый]

And again, attacking the country. You are so basic, mate.

First look at your damn appearance, then talk shit. Bloody hopeless.

dear gypsy, if you're too stupied for understanding easy things, let me explain its to you: silentkiller didn't attack your bulgaristan, he just noticed you from there. but... in this way you sucsessfuly beggared some attention from me and silenkiller. congrats

[Shkembe Chorba]

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[Sarmatian]

You couldn't freely talk about it in the soviet era in Ukraine. Most people who actually lived through it have been extremely reluctant to speak of it, even in diaspora communities. It's the later generations of Ukrainians who have taken more of an interest in it, and with good cause.

That's a big fat lie right here. My grandmother survived hunger of 1930s in one of the worst hit areas which actually wasn't in Ukraine at all. She was talking about it all the time when lecturing me and my brother how to respect the food on the table. She openly spoke of it with anyone among family and friends. But it was never presented as it is in all these invented stories about Holodomor. It was just a hunger, one of many that happened in the area on regular basis even before revolution.

Another massive lie here is number of victims. If you want to see how millions of starved people look like check out Bengal famine of 1943. There was nothing like that during USSR famine of 1930s. There were deaths but very few and under questionable circumstances with conditions similar to severe poisoning rather than starvation.

[Sarmatian]

I stop you there. Frenchmen were the last one who fought on the ruins of berlin. So I don't understand how people talk about us as surrender people.

Don't twist the story around it by trying to present those in French SS as the true and only French fighters. At the end your country surrendered to Hitler and these people you talking about were serving the occupiers. That's the fact.

The true fighters were few Frenchmen who refused to give up the fight all the way until France was truly free. Like de Gaulle or the fellas in Normandie-Niemen.

The journalist who write the original article admitt ha had lie and the study mission by the URSS show the fact has been highly exagerate.
Even one of the hero who legendary die in the battle in fact surrender to german and made some military duty in a german unity...
So how can you talk about a "version"?

Where did you get your nonsense from? Stop listening to idiocy of anti-Russian propaganda.

The journalist had never admitted any lie. He went to the frontline in search of material to publish. He asked battalion commander if there were any occurrences worth of article. Commander gave him the following story: there was a fight near village of Dubosekovo (true) where 28 men (not true) while heavily outnumbered (true) halted advance of German panzer units (true) and all died (not true) without giving up their positions (true). The battle happened literally day before so no exact information was available at the time. It's normal thing for combat environment when things happens fast and takes time to check what's really happened. Knowing that information was raw and unconfirmed journalist decided to publish the material anyway since it was exactly kind of story he was looking for.

In fact there was more than 28 men and not all of them died. Does that change the fact there was battle against far larger enemy force and men stood their ground to the end? The published story had some true and some false facts but which ones it had more? Can you just dismiss the whole story as a lie just because later it was found that commander haven't had all facts when talking to reporter?

As for soldier who was taken prisoner and served to Germans he was later returned back into Red Army and fought in it until the end of war. I believe NKVD had checked him thoroughly. If they had given him weapons to fight instead of executing him as traitor they had very good reasons to do so. I'm not going to judge him, the people authorized to do so at the time did it already.

[Ultra]

Don't twist the story around it by trying to present those in French SS as the true and only French fighters. At the end your country surrendered to Hitler and these people you talking about were serving the occupiers. That's the fact.

The true fighters were few Frenchmen who refused to give up the fight all the way until France was truly free. Like de Gaulle or the fellas in Normandie-Niemen.

Yes the few who actually were French and not black conscripts from Africa or conscripts from other colonies fought for their future descendants only to be taxed more and worked to death and being replaced by immigrants from the third-world. Good true fighter stuff.

[Ultra]

Bezprym, why don't you move to Paris if you like big black cocks that much? Liberté, égalité, BBC. Sounds like your motto.

[Wanderer]

That's a big fat lie right here. My grandmother survived hunger of 1930s in one of the worst hit areas which actually wasn't in Ukraine at all.

And you never specified where that was. As I brought up in another thread, I think I recall you stating your family was from Kuban prior to the forum crash. But I'm not 100 percent certain. Kuban is not a part of Ukraine today, but it is historically Ukrainian. Census figures easily show how Ukrainian it was. And yes indeed it was one of the worst impacted regions in the Holodomor.

She was talking about it all the time when lecturing me and my brother how to respect the food on the table.

Which is EXACTLY what my grandparents would always say. But it was more of a nonspecific lecture - you don't know what it's like to be truly hungry, is what they'd tell the kids. No, the systematic nature of the genocide is what I was referring to with that statement - e.g., the forced food confiscations.