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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    California is suffering from drought and routine huge forest fires worse than anything in the south.
    So no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etain View Post
    California is suffering from drought and routine huge forest fires worse than anything in the south.
    So no.
    California is certainly not God's country. Clearly God is most satisfied with the good people of the north eastern part of the US. Today the weather was pleasant. A reward for our most recent human sacrifices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artabro View Post
    The link works: the more IQ and wealth, the more atheist is a society. I suppose to any rule there has to be an exception and this one is Ireland, but the rule works in general. The poorest countries in Europe are Albania, Moldova, Romania, Turkey..., those countries have the lower IQ too, and without surprises, they are the most religious.
    They are not the most religious. They are the poorest countries though. Little investment made and therefor lower education system which leads to lower iqs and more religiousity to cope with poverty maybe. Or atleast a belief in a higher being which doesnt mean being religious.

    From my experience, the poorest people were also the ones that had the strongest belief in God even if they werent religious. Its a typical cope mechanism.

    I think low IQ is more related to poverty. Religion is more related to brainwashing, ignorance and coping.

    In a 2013 meta-analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, of 63 scientific studies about IQ and religiosity, a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity was found in 53, and a positive relation in the remaining ten. Controlling for other factors, they can only confidently show strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity among American Protestants.[1] The meta-analysis discussed three possible explanations:

    First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more likely to resist religious dogma.
    Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style, which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs.
    Third, Intelligent people may have less need for religious beliefs and practices, as some of the functions of religiosity can be given by intelligence instead. Such functions include the presentation of a sense that the world is orderly and predictable, a sense of personal control and self-regulation and a sense of enhancing self esteem and belongingness. Researcher Helmuth Nyborg and Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, compared belief in God and IQs.[3] Using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that the average IQ of atheists was 6 points higher than the average IQ of non-atheists.

    The relationship between countries' belief in a god and average Intelligence Quotient, measured by Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg[3]
    The authors also investigated the link between belief in a god and average national IQs 137 countries. (For the purposes of this article, it should be noted that 'belief in a god' does not correlate with 'religiosity'. Some nations have high proportions of people who do not believe in a god, but who may nevertheless be highly religious, following non-theistic belief systems such as Buddhism or Taoism.) The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be "highly statistically significant".[3] Of the twelve countries with atheism over 40%, all except two are in the average IQ range of 94 to 100, with only one higher than that range (Japan) and one lower (Cuba). Cuba and Vietnam, (former) communist countries, are anomalies, having a lower average intelligence but a high number of disbelievers, which may be attributed to the communist anti-religious stance. The United States are also an anomaly, with a higher average intelligence but a low number of atheists.

    The Lynn et al. study has been criticized by Artificial Intelligence researcher Randy Olson who has noted that the correlation between national religiosity and intelligence is weak. The correlation between wealth and intelligence is stronger and more suited. He notes that many of the countries with lower intelligence scores are less developed and that countries with 20% atheists or more flat line rather than increase in intelligence.[5] When looking at Kanazawa's paper on individual religiosity, or atheism, and intelligence, Olson noted that both the most religious and atheists were all within the bounds of "average intelligence" (90–109) and from a practical point, none are distinguishable from the other.[5]

    The Lynn et al. paper has also been criticized by Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society from London's Birkbeck College, who expressed concern that the study failed to take into account a complex range of social, economic and historical factors, each of which has been shown to interact with religion and IQ in different ways.[4]

    Gallup surveys, for example, have found that the world's poorest countries are consistently the most religious, perhaps because religion plays a more functional role (helping people cope) in poorer nations.[6]

    Even at the scale of the individual, IQ may not directly cause more disbelief in gods. Dr. David Hardman of London Metropolitan University says: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief." He adds that other studies do nevertheless correlate IQ with being willing or able to question beliefs.[4]

    Researcher Gregory S. Paul's findings suggest that economic development has a closer relationship with religiosity.[13] He argues that once any "nation's population becomes prosperous and secure, for example through economic security and universal health care, much of the population loses interest in seeking the aid and protection of supernatural entities." Other studies have shown that increased wealth is correlated with a decline in religious beliefs.[14][15] Indeed, the majority of the nations that showed a strong relationship between low religiosity and high IQ in the 2008 study were developed nations.[3]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artabro View Post
    The link works: the more IQ and wealth, the more atheist is a society. I suppose to any rule there has to be an exception and this one is Ireland, but the rule works in general. The poorest countries in Europe are Albania, Moldova, Romania, Turkey..., those countries have the lower IQ too, and without surprises, they are the most religious.
    Yeah, i noticed that too. Also, more wealth = more study a person can do, and more study a person does, more things he/she know (for example about science), the less he believe (not always, but usually yes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tietar View Post
    no, because the existence of a creator theoretically it is probable, just as probable are other theories like living in a computer simulation,
    a mathematical accident, or be the result of an alien experiment, or entities outside this universe.

    Reptilian race is also theoretically probable, but it is stupid and irrelevant.

    Do you see the consistency of my argument?
    A reptillian race is more probable then god. Reptiles at least exist. No diety exist.
    And the concept of god is not constistant with its own ideas

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    Whose sock was this anyway?
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    >ITT low IQ non-Finnic untermenschen

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    So it requires a high IQ to believe that all existence began when nothing spontaneously exploded?
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    It's rather that Abrahamic religions are linked to low IQ and being poor.
    The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge.

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    Believing that superstition is the truth would certainly be hampered by an excess of brain cells.
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