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  • Romanian

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  • Sardinian

    5 16.67%
  • Portuguese

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    Romanian sounds very peculiar to me.
    Sardinian I don't know very well.
    French is very peculiar compared to Spanish and Italian because it evolved a lot since Latin.
    Portuguese is just like French, evolved a lot, I don't know why it has so fewer votes, maybe it's not very known:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    I've never heard of "limonier" before. But why not ? Usually we say "citronnier". Anyway French drink "limonade" and "citronade" (maybe a slight difference between the two drinks, I don't know).

    "Limon" exists but doesn't mean "lemon". No Frenchman will understand you if you want to buy "limons". I tell you why: My grandmother was Spanish (Yes, France is a very mixed country, and it makes me proud). My grandparents, my mother and uncles, always spent the summer vacations near Bilbao to visit my family who lived there.
    Sometime in the 50's-60's, after coming back to France after a long stay in Spain, my grandma sent my mom to the grocery stone in order to buy some lemons. And my mother, who was fluent in both French and Spanish, momentarily forgot her French and asked some "limons". The grocer couldn't understand her and was confused. "What is a limon?" My mother thought he was stupid or that he was making fun of her. She started to explain "it's a yellow fruit which has a sour taste." Suddenly, the grocer understood: "Aah, des CITRONS !". When she realized her mistake, my mother felt very ashamed.





    In other words, you only got leftovers and not the main dish. And the Brits still own Gibraltar.




    It's not me, it's Wikipedia (your best friend Wikipedia ) who insists on calling it a Mosque-Cathedral

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque...f_C%C3%B3rdoba
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezqui...e_C%C3%B3rdoba



    I've never visited it. I wouldn't mind doing it if I had the opportunity (although it's not as beautiful as the Mosque-Cathedral of Córdoba ) . I'm happy to live in a melting-pot society, rather than in a fantasized "racially pure" country where everyone ends up marrying her cousin who will give birth to degenerate consanguineus kids like these guys...

    Attachment 62845

    Adios, Franquista !
    one word: leftard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aëlwenn View Post
    one word: leftard.
    ...and proud of it, especially on this sad day for democracy !
    Last edited by Melki; 11-09-2016 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    ...and proud of it, especially on this sad day for democracy !
    hehe, of course... it is democracy when you win and only when you win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    hehe, of course... it is democracy when you win and only when you win
    According to Aristotle, democracy is the perverted form of πολιτεία, “polity” or “constitutional government,” the rule of the majority of the free and equal citizen.

    In that case, the U.S. elections were a pure example of democracy. But I would rather call it "demagogy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    ...and proud of it, especially on this sad day for democracy !
    as always... the concept of 'democracy' that leftists have is utterly anti-democratic, and I would add utterly fascist and dictatorial.

    go to cuba or north-korea man, to enjoy a leftist paradise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    as always... the concept of 'democracy' that leftists have is utterly anti-democratic, and I would add utterly fascist and dictatorial.

    go to cuba or north-korea man, to enjoy a leftist paradise.
    Hahahaha...good joke On the contrary, North Korea supported Trump, and Cuba is no longer an enemy of America.

    Now, this thread is about Romance languages, not about politics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    ...and proud of it, especially on this sad day for democracy !
    Leftists & Liberals have nothing to do with Democracy.

    But because you're a nice guy I will just try to forget that you're Leftist/Liberal.


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    Romanian.

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    I agree it's probably Romanian or French. But when considering core Latin vocabulary, linguists argue that French and in some ways Portuguese actually diverged more from Latin than Romanian did. Sardinian is the closest. Romanian just sounds more foreign due to the other influences. I didn't know it until recently, but Portuguese sometimes sounds even more Slavic, superficially, even though it has no words of that origin. French has the most distant sound Latin I think though, followed by maybe European Portuguese sometimes. As for Romanian, it depends who is speaking it. Also if it's slower, I think some of the other language speakers can decipher some of it if they focus. I don't think it's completely unintelligible like some people think.

    Also, the Lord's Prayer is not the best example of a comparison, since a lot of religious words in Romanian were borrowed from Old Church Slavonic, which was used as a liturgical language in the Middle Ages. But the most basic religious and Christian words are still Latin.

    The Universal Declaration of Human rights offers more comparisons. However one problem is that the different languages sometimes word the same sentences differently, instead of always using direct cognates. So you'd have to fenegle it a bit to make direct comparisons possible.

    Spanish (español)

    Todos los seres humanos nacen libres e iguales en dignidad y derechos y, dotados como están de razón y conciencia, deben comportarse fraternalmente los unos con los otros.

    Portuguese (português)

    Todos os seres humanos nascem livres e iguais em dignidade e em direitos. Dotados de razão e de consciência, devem agir uns para com os outros em espírito de fraternidade.

    Catalan (català)

    Tots els éssers humans neixen lliures i iguals en dignitat i en drets. Són dotats de raó i de consciència, i han de comportar-se fraternalment els uns amb els altres.

    Occitan - Provençal dialect (Provençau)

    Totei lei personas naisson liuras e egalas en dignitat e en drech. Son dotadas de rason e de consciéncia e li cau (/fau) agir entre elei amb un esperit de frairesa.

    French (français)

    Tous les êtres humains naissent libres et égaux en dignité et en droits. Ils sont doués de raison et de conscience et doivent agir les uns envers les autres dans un esprit de fraternité.

    Walloon (walon)

    Tos lès-omes vinèt-st-å monde lîbes, èt so-l'minme pîd po çou qu'ènn'èst d'leu dignité èt d'leus dreûts. I n'sont nin foû rêzon èt-z-ont-i leû consyince po zèls, çou qu'èlzès deût miner a s'kidûre onk' po l'ôte tot come dès frés.

    Romansh (rumantsch)

    Tuots umans naschan libers ed eguals in dignità e drets. Els sun dotats cun intellet e conscienza e dessan agir tanter per in uin spiert da fraternità.

    Friulian (furlan)

    Ducj i oms a nassin libars e compagns come dignitât e dirits. A àn sintiment e cussience e bisugne che si tratin un cul altri come fradis.

    Venetian (vèneto)

    Tuti i eseri umani xe nati liberi e conpagni par dignità e diriti. I xe dotai de raxon e de cosiensa e i deve conportarse i uni co st´altri c spirito de fradelana.

    Italian (italiano)

    Tutti gli esseri umani nascono liberi ed eguali in dignità e diritti. Essi sono dotati di ragione e di coscienza e devono agire gli uni verso gli altri in spirito di fratellanza.

    Calabrian (Alto Jonica)

    Tutti l'uamini nascianu libberi e su i stessi pe' dignità e diritti. Ognunu tena u cerivìaddru sue e a raggiune sua e a cuscìanza sua e s'ha de comportare cull'atri propriu cùamu si fòranu frati sui.

    Calabrian (Catanzaro)

    Tutti l'omini nescianu libberi e sunnu i stessi pe' dignità e diritti. Ognunu ava u cerveddhu soi e a raggiuna e a cuscenza sua e ava ma si cumporta cull'atri propriu comu si fhussèranu i frati soi.

    Sicilian (sicilianu)

    Tutti l'omini nascinu libbiri cu a stissa dignità i diritti. Iddi hannu a raggiuni i cuscienza i hannu a travagghiari 'nzemmula cu spiritu di fratirnità.

    Sardinian (sardu)

    Totu sos èsseres umanos naschint lìberos e eguales in dinnidade e in deretos. Issos tenent sa resone e sa cussèntzia e depent operare s'unu cun s'àteru cun ispìritu de fraternidade.

    Romanian (limba română)

    Toate ființele umane (or toți oamenii) se nasc libere și egale în demnitate și în drepturi. Ele sunt înzestrate cu rațiune și conștiință și trebuie să se comporte unele față de altele în spiritul fraternității (ca frați).


    As a bit of trivia, one weird thing I noticed that is shared between Romanian and Sardinian is they both use limba for tongue/language (vs. Italian lingua, Spanish lengua, etc.), and Romanian uses apa for water and Sardinian abba (vs. Italian acqua, Spanish agua, etc.) And they both have nouns that end in 'u' rather than 'o'.

    But that's probably just a linguistic coincidence.

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