Russians - Finno-Ugric or Slavic?

[Philip Latinowitz]

Slavic. Southern Russians are as Slavic as they come genetically.

[Mingle]

The Ossetian identity evolved in the modern day, like most modern ethnic groups. There were various tribes that evolved separately, but were amalgated into a singular ethnic groups in the 20th century.

Read this part from the book, The Caucasus - An Introduction by Frederik Coene

https://books.google.ca/books?id=gXy...page&q&f=false


There's actually mention of tribal groups in all sources you can find, the one below mentions sixteen Ossetian tribes

https://books.google.ca/books?id=0X8...page&q&f=false


In the modern age of course, they aren't tribes per se, but sub groups of the Osette population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digor_people

The "Iron" subgroup is predominantly Christian too, while the "Digor" are Muslim and Christian mixed.

You ignored what I said.

Even if they weren't considered one single ethnic group with a unified identity until not too long ago, that doesn't change the fact that Ossetes and Alans are the same people.

Ultimately I'm saying that Ossete = Alan. Whether the name Ossete is a recent foreign name or not is 100% irrelevant. Its not like the Alans were unified with under one name and one identity.

[Shah-Jehan]

You ignored what I said.

Even if they weren't considered one single ethnic group with a unified identity until not too long ago, that doesn't change the fact that Ossetes and Alans are the same people.

Ultimately I'm saying that Ossete = Alan. Whether the name Ossete is a recent foreign name or not is 100% irrelevant. Its not like the Alans were unified with under one name and one identity.

Yeah, I never even disputed that.

[black hole]

Ossetians have extremely strong native Caucasian elements, they are more Caucasus peoples than Iranic. The same goes for Karachay-Balkar peoples, they're more Caucasus peoples than Turkic.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

Finno-Ugric lingustic group ectually no longer exists.
Look at wiki-classification of uralic languages.

But term 'Ugrofinians' in traditional meaning described all uralic
speaking people and N bearers - at least those who speak or
spoke in the past being descendand from Ugrofinian people.

I do not understand you, seriously Finno-Ugrians are only native speakers. For example Udmurts will be pleased to communicate with the Finn. Haplogroup does not matter, there are Komi-Yazvintsy mainly R1b-Z2103, from Komi, they do not externally differ. in the Paleolithic, 1/4 of the population of eastern Europe was with a multi-layered admixture. And there were carriers of haplogroup N . Can Poles Finno - Ugrians with many millennia of experience.

[Rethel]

Haplogroup does not matter

Does your father and son matter to you?
Will you be fine, if your sons would have different hgs?
One for example I, second E, third M?

[LecomtsevAlexander]

Does your father and son matter to you?
Will you be fine, if your sons would have different hgs?
One for example I, second E, third M?

My wife is Udmurt, but she is a little Ukrainian. 3/4 of my Russian roots and 1/4 of my Russian roots speak differently - very much. 3/4 my relatives call their relatives a full name, often instead of the sound "ch" they say the sound "c". 1/4 my Russian relatives call their relatives a diminutive caressing words. At school I was taught as they say 1/4 of my relatives. Now I have an association that the language of 3/4 of my relatives is similar to the language of cattle. The most similar language to official Russian is Belarusian, Ukrainian is similar to Russian language less. Accordingly Belarusians and Russians on the same wave. The Novgorod language does not have very similar languages, it is similar to Polish and to the Baltic languages ​​and to the Slovenian. For 3/4 of my relatives ethnic language Novgorod, but they forgot it . My mitochondral haplogroup T2b16 fell into the descendants of the Novgorodians, through the Tatars as it turned out. So that the chromosome of the Amazons flows in me. Apparently so I like the courageous women. I have TWO GENES USP9Y Because of her, it's hard for me to become a father in combination with my mitochondral chromosome. My brother over 17 years of marriage became a father only. My grandfather was sterile. USP9Y Be in haplogroup is male . If a nation divides itself into haplogroups, it is socially dangerous

[Rethel]