Discussion on Miscegenation

[Sahson]

I didn't know exactly where this should go, considering that there were several possible boards. Moderators you can relocate this thread where you deem this discussion to a more suitable home.

Right Many of us have the tendency to discuss miscegenation a lot. We cleary are against african/european coupling, or anything that is non-european, barring colonized areas where the phenotypes of the populous are of european stock.

We definitely value our culture and history on this board more so then anywhere else I have gallivanted across the interwebs. Every member here always brings something new to the table, whether it's German, Dutch, or Canadian history; there is always a member sharing about his history/culture of his people. In some cases the member will open up my eyes, as he illustrates, or presents the collective thinking of the culture that share his identity, in other cases the member is a fruitcake but a strong fundamentalist.

Now in order for these ideas, these beliefs that each Apricitan member has, or treasures dearly to continue to breathe, and live within the imagined community, or the community that is, those ideas, and beliefs need to be passed onto the next generation. Many members here have suggested that if two Europeans that had different community beliefs and ideas were to procreate.

Then it is suggested by some members that the next generation would either cease to only uphold and believe in one of the communities, a sense of belonging to only one, or depending on the parenting, may not even have a care in the world about his ancestry and community, and live in the modernized world, believing in only a world community(UN Ideology etc.)

With globalization increasing, people are able to travel and live anywhere in the world, where he or she chooses too. Humans now have the luxury to chose who they should couple with as technology has improved throughout time. From the next door neighbour, to anyone in the village, to anyone in the county, to the world. This has also escalated miscegenation among europeans, and asians in such instances. Also it causes individuals from different communities to migrate, and be thrown into a massive melting pot.

In my hometown, having a Norwegian family as your next door neighbour would be unheard of 10 years ago, it would be hard to imagine, or believe, because despite Norway being so close to Northern England, it wsould have been more believable a Norwegian living in London, then in a run-down mining village. Well 3 years ago a Norwegian family moved to our streets, and as globalization increases the more we will all be thrown into a massive melting pot.

Now many have said mixing among Europeans is fine, others have argued that only Europeans of cultural similarities should only mix, therefore the cultural identity and beliefs would be able to be passed down. As for an example a Dutch mother, and an English father.

But should we really be drawing the line at culture? Is phenotype more important? For if we let British and Germans mix, say a blonde German, and a dark haired Brit, then we are lowering the chances and survival of the blonde stock, no?

Should phenotypes play a factor? would anyone on this board consider it miscegenation if two different phenotypes that share a similar cultural background we're to couple?

If this was also the case, then would we allow similar phenotypes to couple that do not share a similar background? or they have different cultural backgrounds, but the backgrounds are not really one that is as similar to another country, for example Holland and Germany have very similar culture, though Holland has become its own identity. but Holland and France's culture is more distant.

So where do we draw the line? Do we say an alpo-nordid with a swedish culture background couple with a french alpo-nordid? do we constitute this as a form of cultural miscegenation because the descendants might believe they are only french, or swedish. Or do we constitute a British of Atlantid stock coupling with a blonde Dalo-Falische from Holland as miscegenation.

Fellow friends, discuss... would you deem it acceptable if hypothetically, your sister, maybe a cousin, or someone on your street married someone from a neighbouring country with similar cultures(like ones i already listed.) or would you feel uneasy, or against the idea if your cousin, or someone in your family married someone of the same phenotype, but were of a different culture background?

[Psychonaut]

So where do we draw the line?

Drawing lines will get you into trouble. If you want to make some kind of rule, just stick with a relational model: the appropriateness of a pairing (x) is directly proportional to the degree to which the two individuals are related genetically (to a non-incestuous degree), culturally, religiously, etc (y).



That way you have a borderless continuum that doesn't fall prey to the sorties paradox, trying to define inherently indefinable boundaries.

[Fortis in Arduis]

^^ What he said.

Not too genetically close and not too far away should be the rule.

Culture in its highest form, derives from shared genetics.

[Sahson]

Drawing lines will get you into trouble. If you want to make some kind of rule, just stick with a relational model: the appropriateness of a pairing (x) is directly proportional to the degree to which the two individuals are related genetically (to a non-incestuous degree), culturally, religiously, etc (y).



That way you have a borderless continuum that doesn't fall prey to the sorties paradox, trying to define inherently indefinable boundaries.

I'm not trying to draw to a conclusion, I have just seen this talked about, and just wanted to discuss/debate about it. So far it seems the posters are on the i'm not too fussed about it.

I really don't think inter-European mixing is a bad thing providing it isn't done in huge levels. I wouldn't call it miscegenation.

And that's fine, Did you marry her because of religion? I never considered religion, because it is something I associate as a sign of individualism.

Also if we expand on the subject we can see globalization is merely in it's baby steps, I no doubt think that there will be more international coupling in the next generation then this generation, I think it's inevitable in some respects. As someone also mentioned on Apricity this mixing of nationalities can cause some conflict with an individual's identity.

The jews make sure only jews can marry jews. Where as Europeans don't really care, however it seems that there are some on this board that are worried about miscegenation by different aspects. However I have never heard someone come out and say they are against miscegenation because the european phenotypes are different...

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't think that rules against miscegenation will help one bit. So if you want to control it don't intervene behind the front door but: stem the flow.

Kick out the immigrants and you have a whole lot less to worry about. If someone remained after the expulsion that are married to westerners: ask them to have themselves sterilized or to adopt western children. We are not going to break up couples.

So the policy will deal with the majority of the cases first: stem the flow and if it happens on an individual basis that someone of mixed origins marries a local then I would feel no reason whatsoever to object. After all: mixed origins means also European origins.

And if the individual European would meet someone abroad (it happens) then I see no reason to object either as the main source of it has been gotten rid off and individual cases always happened and cannot be avoided. However they will be asked to have themselves sterilized and to adopt western children or actively encouraged to move the non-western spouse's native country: the local and foreign authorities should provide the couple with a place to live and make sure they find jobs.

It's the main flow we need to worry about and that can be solved without anti-miscegenation laws.

[Detfri]

I have the solution! We let only Europeans intermix, becouse for me it is not miscegination, and sell European men sperm to non-white countries, so women who want a white, mulatto, oriundan child can have without stealing a white man to a white woman, and at the same time we spread white genes in the world.



(I have drunk nothing today.....)

[The Lawspeaker]

I have the solution! We let only Europeans intermix, becouse for me it is not miscegination, and sell European men sperm to non-white countries, so women who want a white, mulatto, oriundan child can have without stealing a white man to a white woman, and at the same time we spread white genes in the world.



(I have drunk nothing today.....)

That's interesting. Here is my solution. Kick out the immigrants first and when possible assist mixed couples (only if one the parents is of colonial descent and only if that person speaks that local non-Western language and knows the culture -like for instance people from the East Indies) to move to that former colony and become the vital link between the former colony and the European nation.
You will be left with some people of mixed origins then: best simply take the pain and absorb them before you create an underclass.

What we need first of all is a stable population in most European countries from there on we can see whether we can keep the population steady in some countries (f.i the re-united Netherlands at around 8 or 9.5 million) with a tendency to grow slowly or to keep let the European population explode by actively encouraging marriages and handing out all sorts of amazing benefits for newly wed European couples (it could work in Russia to let the population grow to 250 or 300 million) or in Finland.

And then.. the trade:

Indeed. If non-European women want a European child: let's give them one. But not by marrying a European man but indeed by in vitro fertilisation.
We are already producing the best horses and cows in such a manner.. why not do the same thing there with human genetic material.

[Detfri]

That's interesting. Here is my solution. Kick out the immigrants first and when possible assist mixed couples (only if one the parents is of colonial descent and only if that person speaks that local non-Western language and knows the culture -like for instance people from the East Indies) to move to that former colony and become the vital link between the former colony and the European nation.
You will be left with some people of mixed origins then: best simply take the pain and absorb them before you create an underclass.

What we need first of all is a stable population in most European countries from there on we can see whether we can keep the population steady in some countries (f.i the re-united Netherlands at around 8 or 9.5 million) with a tendency to grow slowly or to keep let the European population explode by actively encouraging marriages and handing out all sorts of amazing benefits for newly wed European couples (it could work in Russia to let the population grow to 250 or 300 million) or in Finland.

And then.. the trade:

Indeed. If non-European women want a European child: let's give them one. But not by marrying a European man but indeed by in vitro fertilisation.
We are already producing the best horses and cows in such a manner.. why not do the same thing there with human genetic material.

More or less is like the mine. You would solve 3 probs in one by selling it:
1) more white genes in the world
2) an opportunity of economical growth for white countries whose population is beautiful but whose economy is horrible ( like eastern and baltic Europe)
3) a way for African women to have babies without risking to take the AIDS.
(4)) stop the decline of the white race.

So, when you go to the power call me.

[Wyn]

(4)) stop the decline of the white race.

I don't think IVFing black women with white sperm would stop white male-black female relationships (which are becoming increasingly common). Most black women who explicitly want a "half-white" child would probably prefer to be in a relationship with a white male, rather than just his sperm...

[Detfri]

I don't think IVFing black women with white sperm would stop white male-black female relationships (which are becoming increasingly common). Most black women who explicitly want a "half-white" child would probably prefer to be in a relationship with a white male, rather than just his sperm...

Lucky where I live white female-black male is considered almost a sin (never seen a white woman with a black man, only the contrary).
And the solution to the second problem is that white men start to think a bit more to the racial preservation. I dunno where you live so I can't say anything.