Albanians, indigenous in kosovo?

[dralos]

listen i really and i mean really don care if the albanians were or aint related to Illyrians, but i do whant to know who is, but u albanians talk like all the world schoolors came on tv yeasterday and told the hole world that albanians are ancient Illyrians and it a commen fact, and u all know that no one knows really who they were, there is wery little nolige about there language culture and so on, many schoolors are divided about Illyrian, albanians take does who say u are, others take does who say u aint, and both sides wont recognose the others, if the inernational community would agree that albanians are illyrians, i would onely say ok we finally solved it, but if they would say that u are not, would u all accept it.
I wont post on this because i am not wery edjucated in the Illyrin history, but if i would find somthin interresting with a source i will post it,

but if u all have the time read john wilkes book "The Illyrins", it is said that he posseses the most noleg about them, he says u are not Illyrian so u will probbly not read it or say its propaganda, but one shuld allways read both facts to get the hole picture.

The onely thing that we know now is that my ancestors were Illyrian and all u others just wish u were

i'm from dardania and my ancestres are dardanians wich are a mixture of thracians,illyrians and celts and if we don't come from illyrians from who do we come then?
we speak illyrians,have illyrian names look like old illyrians don't have any slavic input but are most native to balkan

[Ushtari]

but if u all have the time read john wilkes book "The Illyrins", it is said that he posseses the most noleg about them, he says u are not Illyrian so u will probbly not read it or say its propaganda, but one shuld allways read both facts to get the hole picture.

It seems more like you are desperately trying to find any possible reason to dismiss an illyrian relationship, why i dont know. However, i have read John Wilkes book "The illyrians", hell I even have it here next to me, and nowhere does he state that Albanians are not descendants of illyrians. He does however state that Albanians are a mix of different paleobalkan peoples in the region wich makes sense, but the illyrian part is without doubt the most important for obvious reasons.

[Adrian]

Actually, Tosk albanians are albanized Greeks.

It is more resonable to say that high percentage of modern greeks are assimilated albanians (Arvanites). Modern Greece is an artificial creature, created by great powers. Albanians were those who has inhabited a large areas of Greece, main fighters for independence of Greece were Albanians (90 of 100 war leaders were Albanians), the first President of Greece was an Albanian, Greece had no flag at the time (they have adopted a British East India Company's flag) , Greece was popultaed mostly by inhabitants from Turkey (Treaty of Lausanne)etc.
How could a country with so many different populations become one of the most ethnically pure states in Europe?

Answer is: systematic assimilation!


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[Milenko]

i'm from dardania and my ancestres are dardanians wich are a mixture of thracians,illyrians and celts and if we don't come from illyrians from who do we come then?
we speak illyrians,have illyrian names look like old illyrians don't have any slavic input but are most native to balkan

how can u be so sure that u are, is it just what u have been told or have u done some dna surce am not saying that u are not, am just asking. Thats the mysteri no one knows were u came from, some say u are Illyrian or other paleo-balkan, some say caucasus, some say u came with the turks, all schoolors are divided, who knows if albanias just came in small groups to balkan so small it was never recorded ot notised, meet the Illyrians took some loan words from them, and assimilated with some of them, am not saying it was so, but there are som many possebiletis, some say, that illyrians werent even the same people just diffrent tribes and hand no conection to each other, and greeks and italians just called the region illyricum, i am not dismissing that u maby are, but there are no record of u befor 12 century, some will say you were Dardanians befor that or arbahnes or what they were called, the thing is we creat shit storms and trying to convince each other over somthing that the schoolors who work with this cant even agree on, now am not saying that this topic shuldent be talked about, but we cant try to convincse each other over somthin we really dont know about.

now a question are ther archaeologist who are looking in to this because it seems that the search for Illyrinas have just stoped, because everyone is allways giving the same source over and over agian

[Ushtari]

how can u be so sure that u are, is it just what u have been told or have u done some dna surce am not saying that u are not, am just asking. Thats the mysteri no one knows were u came from, some say u are Illyrian or other paleo-balkan, some say caucasus, some say u came with the turks, all schoolors are divided

Nope, all serious impartial scholars agree that Albanians have their origin in Balkan.

[Milenko]

Nope, all serious impartial scholars agree that Albanians have their origin in Balkan.

sure but it dosent mean that the are right, am not saying they are wrong but thats the thing no one knows, some say Illiri means somthing in albanian, but there is no record if Illyrians calling them self that

[Sorab]

Balkan Slavs and present day Romanians are true descendants of Illyrians .
The Albanians are from the Caucasus, originally.
Caucasian Albania was located on the eastern area of the Caucasus between the Caspian sea and the tips of the mountain ranges.
Old Albania was known only for wild dogs and baren snow covered mountains, for which it recieved the name Albania by foreigners (Alba-white).

When Aleander the Great conquered Asia minor, he took with him the great leader of the Albanian tribes and gave him as a present an Albanian dog. Among other things, Caucasian Albania did not attract conquerors, because of its poverty and difficult terrain.

With the comming of the Arabs, they converted the Old Albanians in the 8th century to Islam. But meanwhile, at the time, the Arabs were waging campaigns in Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies).
In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
To this day, their descendants live in Sicily.

Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos.
Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the “Serbs” and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land.

They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat (BELGRAD) and from this, the “Serbs” and other,called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi".
The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there.
They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Macedonian and “Serbian” nobles as brave soldiers.

Michael Ataliotos describes the events in his chronicle:
"Historia, Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantinae. Impensis ed. Neberi, Bonnae".

BUT....

Archaeological findings from Albania not confirm this story.
All material culture in Albania points to "the Slavic" population.

Genetically, the Shqiptars are connected with the "Arab world" and the Roma people.

The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar".
Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes more plausable.

The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word "Shqip-tar" and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples - the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular).

The historical rendering of the ethnonym Shqiptar (or Shqyptar by French, Austrian and German authors) in use from the 18th century (NO earlier) to the present, the literal translation of which is subject of the eagle.
But,all Western scientists who have studied Albanians, agree to Shqiptars means - Highlanders.

Turks called them Arnauts.
It is Arabic name which means that those who did not return.

Before the Turkish conquest of the Balkans, history does not record the words as Shqiptars or Arnauts.
History tell us that the Shqiptars fought against the Arbanasians.

Sultans are cursed his predecessor, Suleiman II (1687-1691), who brought Gegs in the Balkans, because it is in Europe Osmanlian empire was already called "dark", or "larcenous" vilaet.

Dr. N. zupanic wrote:
True fatherland of the Gegs is NOT Macedonia, but the vilaet of Caucasus!
Arnauts-Gegs are the product of wild Kurds.

Authors wrote that the mass-migration of Gegs-Mirdites (Kurdistan) from Asia, in the second half of the XVII century, which was made forcibly by the Osmanlian military authorities,1. had the mission to be broken christian element with a new religious-Muslim population.
The territory of North Arvanija (Albania, R.I.) Osmanlian occupying authorities were called Arnautlak and its inhabitants Arnauts.
Ežen Pitar ( "the people who have led the Turks in the Balkans")
R.Gorgevik ("Circassian in our country ")

[safinator]

Balkan Slavs and present day Romanians are true descendants of Illyrians .
The Albanians are from the Caucasus, originally.
Caucasian Albania was located on the eastern area of the Caucasus between the Caspian sea and the tips of the mountain ranges.
Old Albania was known only for wild dogs and baren snow covered mountains, for which it recieved the name Albania by foreigners (Alba-white).

When Aleander the Great conquered Asia minor, he took with him the great leader of the Albanian tribes and gave him as a present an Albanian dog. Among other things, Caucasian Albania did not attract conquerors, because of its poverty and difficult terrain.

With the comming of the Arabs, they converted the Old Albanians in the 8th century to Islam. But meanwhile, at the time, the Arabs were waging campaigns in Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies).
In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
To this day, their descendants live in Sicily.

Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos.
Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the “Serbs” and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land.

They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat (BELGRAD) and from this, the “Serbs” and other,called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi".
The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there.
They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Macedonian and “Serbian” nobles as brave soldiers.

Michael Ataliotos describes the events in his chronicle:
"Historia, Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantinae. Impensis ed. Neberi, Bonnae".

BUT....

Archaeological findings from Albania not confirm this story.
All material culture in Albania points to "the Slavic" population.

Genetically, the Shqiptars are connected with the "Arab world" and the Roma people.

The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar".
Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes more plausable.

The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word "Shqip-tar" and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples - the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular).

The historical rendering of the ethnonym Shqiptar (or Shqyptar by French, Austrian and German authors) in use from the 18th century (NO earlier) to the present, the literal translation of which is subject of the eagle.
But,all Western scientists who have studied Albanians, agree to Shqiptars means - Highlanders.

Turks called them Arnauts.
It is Arabic name which means that those who did not return.

Before the Turkish conquest of the Balkans, history does not record the words as Shqiptars or Arnauts.
History tell us that the Shqiptars fought against the Arbanasians.

Sultans are cursed his predecessor, Suleiman II (1687-1691), who brought Gegs in the Balkans, because it is in Europe Osmanlian empire was already called "dark", or "larcenous" vilaet.

Dr. N. zupanic wrote:
True fatherland of the Gegs is NOT Macedonia, but the vilaet of Caucasus!
Arnauts-Gegs are the product of wild Kurds.

Authors wrote that the mass-migration of Gegs-Mirdites (Kurdistan) from Asia, in the second half of the XVII century, which was made forcibly by the Osmanlian military authorities,1. had the mission to be broken christian element with a new religious-Muslim population.
The territory of North Arvanija (Albania, R.I.) Osmanlian occupying authorities were called Arnautlak and its inhabitants Arnauts.
Ežen Pitar ( "the people who have led the Turks in the Balkans")
R.Gorgevik ("Circassian in our country ")

[safinator]

What about Iberia in Caucasus, are they related to Spaniards and Portuguese?

[Ushtari]

sure but it dosent mean that the are right, am not saying they are wrong but thats the thing no one knows, some say Illiri means somthing in albanian, but there is no record if Illyrians calling them self that

You are not following well, im not speaking about illyrians. You said that scholars are divided in whether Albanians have their origin in Balkan or not, while truth is that they are not.