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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushtari View Post



    Niš, Štip, Skopje follow Albanian phonetic laws aswell
    Scardus->Sharr, Scodra->Shkodër/Shkodra.

    But it's a good thing you brought those toponyms up because while these nameplaces followed Albanian phonetic laws, (which is evidence for Albanians having inhabited those areas, or else the names would have been different; not following Albanian phonetic laws ), Slavs adopted those nameplaces; this follows the logical conclusion that Slavs must have adopted those nameplaces from us and that we must have been there before them, or else those nameplaces would have been different, following Slavic phonetic laws and Albanians would have referred to those nameplaces according to the Slavic.

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    Scodra ->Skadar
    Scardus -> Šar


    Niš, Štip works for us to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko View Post
    Scodra ->Skadar
    Scardus -> Šar


    Niš, Štip works for us to
    -Sh and -š are the same sounds.

    Slavs adopted their own name for Shkodër, which just means that they didn't adopt it from Albanians. If Scardus (Sharr) had developed according to Slavic phonetic laws, it would have been more alike to Scodra-Skadar, rendering something like Scardus->Skarda. However, that's not seen; Slavs adopted it from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko View Post
    Scodra ->Skadar
    Scardus -> Šar


    Niš, Štip works for us to
    Nope, those does not follow Serbian phonological laws, they are adopted from Albanian.


    Here you have a source about those ancient placenames following Albanian Phonological development:


    Source
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorab View Post
    Balkan Slavs and present day Romanians are true descendants of Illyrians .
    The Albanians are from the Caucasus, originally.
    Caucasian Albania was located on the eastern area of the Caucasus between the Caspian sea and the tips of the mountain ranges.
    Old Albania was known only for wild dogs and baren snow covered mountains, for which it recieved the name Albania by foreigners (Alba-white).

    When Aleander the Great conquered Asia minor, he took with him the great leader of the Albanian tribes and gave him as a present an Albanian dog. Among other things, Caucasian Albania did not attract conquerors, because of its poverty and difficult terrain.

    With the comming of the Arabs, they converted the Old Albanians in the 8th century to Islam. But meanwhile, at the time, the Arabs were waging campaigns in Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies).
    In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
    To this day, their descendants live in Sicily.

    Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos.
    Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the “Serbs” and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land.

    They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat (BELGRAD) and from this, the “Serbs” and other,called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi".
    The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there.
    They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Macedonian and “Serbian” nobles as brave soldiers.

    Michael Ataliotos describes the events in his chronicle:
    "Historia, Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantinae. Impensis ed. Neberi, Bonnae".

    BUT....

    Archaeological findings from Albania not confirm this story.
    All material culture in Albania points to "the Slavic" population.

    Genetically, the Shqiptars are connected with the "Arab world" and the Roma people.

    The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari".
    This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar".
    Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
    Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, this theory on the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes more plausable.

    The original URAL-ALTAIC speaking Caucasian Shqiptar-Albanians were part of the AVAR KHANATE which had one of its early capitals in Caucasian Albania (hence Albanian topnyms there, the possible Ural-Altaic etymology of the suffix in the word "Shqip-tar" and the similarities in national costume with Caucasian peoples - the non-Indo-European Georgians, in particular).

    The historical rendering of the ethnonym Shqiptar (or Shqyptar by French, Austrian and German authors) in use from the 18th century (NO earlier) to the present, the literal translation of which is subject of the eagle.
    But,all Western scientists who have studied Albanians, agree to Shqiptars means - Highlanders.

    Turks called them Arnauts.
    It is Arabic name which means that those who did not return.

    Before the Turkish conquest of the Balkans, history does not record the words as Shqiptars or Arnauts.
    History tell us that the Shqiptars fought against the Arbanasians.

    Sultans are cursed his predecessor, Suleiman II (1687-1691), who brought Gegs in the Balkans, because it is in Europe Osmanlian empire was already called "dark", or "larcenous" vilaet.

    Dr. N. zupanic wrote:
    True fatherland of the Gegs is NOT Macedonia, but the vilaet of Caucasus!
    Arnauts-Gegs are the product of wild Kurds.

    Authors wrote that the mass-migration of Gegs-Mirdites (Kurdistan) from Asia, in the second half of the XVII century, which was made forcibly by the Osmanlian military authorities,1. had the mission to be broken christian element with a new religious-Muslim population.
    The territory of North Arvanija (Albania, R.I.) Osmanlian occupying authorities were called Arnautlak and its inhabitants Arnauts.
    Ežen Pitar ( "the people who have led the Turks in the Balkans")
    R.Gorgevik ("Circassian in our country ")
    Article made by serbs , its same article which is part of serbian brain masturbating circumstance posted on their propaganda sites,this is totaly nonsense.
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    The origin of the name Serb from an Indo European root seems incredible. Serbian toponyms in their homeland in Caucasus are often remote to Slavic tongues.
    Both names Serboi earlier Sabar and Hrvat (Croat) earlier Havar, Avar seem to have originated in the shores of the Caspian Sea. The forefathers of Serbs and Croats were not Indo European but Caucasian.
    The names of Asian tribes Sabar and Kavar (*Havar) Avar derived from the same root [common shift b > v, also allophones s/ h].

    Serbs (*Sabar) and Croats (Hrvat) were Avar tribes which Magyar sources essentially call Kabar and Kavar.

    The remnant of Sabar, Avar excellent horsemanship in Turkish language was stamped in the cognate: tr. süvari ' cavalier, cavalry, cavalryman, chevalier, mounted troops, man'. Clearly the origin of Serbs and Croats is not Indo European.


    The Serbs were mentioned by Plinius the Younger in the first century BC (69-75) as living on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov as Serboi in his Geographica. In the 2nd century, Herodotus writes in his Persian Wars that Serbs (Serboi, Sirboi - Serboi, Sirboi) live behind the Caucasus, near the hinterland of the Black Sea. In the fourth century the Carpathians are mentioned as 'Serb mountains' by the Roman emperor Licinius.

    In the Caucasus, the homeland of the Serbs, they left their traces around the river Volga (Araxes in Greek). In modern Georgian, that river is called "Rashki". This name was used by Balkan Serbs as a name for their first state and is found wherever the name Serb is found in clusters indicating settlements. It is often used to designate hydronyms and likely meant 'river' or 'water' in Old Serb.

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    The Caucasian Avars who conquered the Balkans have given Serbia, Crna Gora, and Croatia the names each respectively bears today. In the Lesghian-Avar language, the Balkan Crna Gora carries the same toponym of the land they left behind in the Caucasus: also called Crna Gora, now part of Daghestan.
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    are 1800s albs even the same that suddenly appeared in the 1100s?
    I mean we had the turks coming in, and they were busy using bandits they had dragged up from the east.. gypsies being welldocumented enough, that then settled the lands.

    Meanwhile, the albs religion quickly shifted aswell.

    One thing should be clear, they are not illyrians. Those were killed and wiped out by a dozen or so great genocides since their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikki View Post
    are 1800s albs even the same that suddenly appeared in the 1100s?
    I mean we had the turks coming in, and they were busy using bandits they had dragged up from the east.. gypsies being welldocumented enough, that then settled the lands.

    Meanwhile, the albs religion quickly shifted aswell.

    One thing should be clear, they are not illyrians. Those were killed and wiped out by a dozen or so great genocides since their time.
    Genetics prove you wrong.

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