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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilma View Post
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    And you, do you feel Belge before Wallon or Wallon before Belge ? Is that having any importance for you in your country ?
    Thanks for the answer... weirdly enough I meet more and more "Norman identitarians" these days... No one used to talk about Norman regionalism in the past, but Bretons, Corsica, Basques, Alsace.... The people I've met who felt the most "apart" from the rest of France were people from the eastern part (Lorraine, Alsace, Franche-comté...); they always talked about the rest of France as if it was apart, and they have a peculiar accent.
    The reason for this I believe is that they (or whould I say "We") were part of the Holy roman Empire instead of the French empire, and have a more feodal mindset and hate centralism.

    This is the reason why the Belgian state failed at the end, you can't impose a centralist state on a land full of duchies/counties/princebishopdom; and the reason why there are a lot of misunderstandings between the French and the Belgian mentality.

    Actually I feel Liègeois before anything, then I feel part of a "Francosphere" eventually the "Wallon" community or even, the Oil domain... I have the same attraction/repulsion toward Paris... I hate the chauvinism and jacobinism and yet most of my references are French (and Anglo-saxon). They (jacobins) consider local traditions as laughable folklore instead of an European heritage to preserve, hence the frustration, because Belgium represents the epitome of "provincialism" for a parisian jacobin (hence the "jokes" and stuff), due to the fact Paris doesn't have a (complete) hold on it, and conserved their local patois/accent/culture; Horror for a parisian.

    Actually a lot of people believe that the Belgian motto "L'union fait la Force/Eendracht maakt Macht"... means the union between Flemish and Wallons which isn't true at all... it means the union between the "Belgians" and the "Liegeois". The "Belgians" (ex Austrian Netherlands) did a counter-revolution by refusing the enlightened despotism of Josef II of Austria while the "Liegeois" did a local "French" revolution. Belgium is a compromise between both. It's actually a leftover of Lotharingia in a sense.

    Belgium doesn't mean anything to me anymore, it doesn't exist anymore. It could have existed though... I don't feel concerned by anything about it... it's just an oligarchy trying to exploit the people and squeeze them dry... it's true for the "Republique" too.
    I like the Flemish individually but dislike Flemish nationalism and the whole mindset and the bullshit, Wallon politics is a catastrophe too... so to me Belgium is over. Belgians don't exist anymore except in some parts of Brussels.
    So, I feel Liègeois (and Ardennais), the land of Charlemagne, Charles Martel, Pépin the short and so on.
    I could go on about the vagueness of "Wallon" identity but I'd disgress.

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    Do you really believe populists like Marine Le Pen are patriots? She only cares about money, not about French people, she also supports the terrorist Putin...open your eyes. We have a similar "patriotic" union in Bulgaria, they promise stronger army, higher pensions, fighting gypsy crimes, no refugees, etc, but their real goal is more Russian money for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tchek View Post
    Thanks for the answer... weirdly enough I meet more and more "Norman identitarians" these days... No one used to talk about Norman regionalism in the past, but Bretons, Corsica, Basques, Alsace.... The people I've met who felt the most "apart" from the rest of France were people from the eastern part (Lorraine, Alsace, Franche-comté...); they always talked about the rest of France as if it was apart, and they have a peculiar accent.
    The reason for this I believe is that they (or whould I say "We") were part of the Holy roman Empire instead of the French empire, and have a more feodal mindset and hate centralism.

    I think the reason is more basic.
    People can't recognyze themself in the multiracial and multiculturalist nation france became.
    They won't admitt it but they don't identify with the "new french" identity. As they don't want to pass for racist/nazi/fascist and all the others bullshits, they try to identify with another regional identity.
    In this regional identity, they can support support some lost values with keeping their mind clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanchoIotata View Post
    Do you really believe populists like Marine Le Pen are patriots? She only cares about money, not about French people, she also supports the terrorist Putin...open your eyes. We have a similar "patriotic" union in Bulgaria, they promise stronger army, higher pensions, fighting gypsy crimes, no refugees, etc, but their real goal is more Russian money for themselves.
    Of course she is patriot and for the sovereignty of the people, protectionnist and focused on the interests of french people first, having as well respect for others peoples but disliking a lot the leaders of their countries when they are not able to follow the will of their people precisely.

    She already works in that way as she rules a party in EU called Europe of the Nations and Freedom (check it there, other euros countries are part of it, working for the interests of peoples : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ns_and_Freedom).

    She is basically a lawyer, a true dedicated one. Part of her legal work involved representing illegal immigrants. In France, when a defendant cannot afford a lawyer, one is chosen to represent him or her. She often fulfilled this role. She is very sensitive to injustice and wanted to become a lawyer to represent and help the weakest people. The cause of her people has always been that important for her. She loves passionnately her country and her people, she decided to dedicate her life now to defend the people's interests and this is what she does for years yet. Everywhere she goes, she defends the unspoken, she recall truth, she talks for people about what they want, their frustrations, their expectations, she knows very well french people from all categories and she has a sensitivity for the weakest to speak for them.

    This is why people are grateful for her because he is denoncing a France who became less democratic than ever. We are never asked for our interests, our opinion, never we can vote unless to elect some people, cherry picked politically. This "democracy" is a joke, a truly weird joke that she denonces for years and her party has only 2 represents in the national assembly (this is them who vote the laws). They are only two in there to represent the Front National, 2 on 577 deputees despite the fact they score more than 20% in elections they only count for voting the laws as 0,4% or something. Do you realize how this is not representative of the people and the will and interests of the people ? But they still speak, they still go there to denonce what is not working, to bring new propositions, to develop the country and find solutions that other parties reject first and start to use claiming later this was their ideas.

    Front national is the ONLY party to listen and work for the interests of the french people and others people in EU; this is the only democratic party to care about people, everywhere they are already elected in small towns, regions etc.

    Considering Marine Lepen herself, since you only talk about her, trust me we never knew in France more patriotic politician since Charles de Gaulle IMO. She already has everything she wants, very high posts as elected already and as elected for years where she is, she truly does a very quality good job while many others around her (from other parties : right wing, left wing) mainly does not care that much, just shut their mouth and earn money. She always speak her mind, speak the truth, and medias and others politicians hate her for that because she says truth. If she was doing this for money, trust me she would just shut her mouth as the others, going their way, working for a right wing party or whatsoever and that would be ok. But no, she goes totally in this. She is totally dedicated. And we are already happy with her job even if she has not that much power for the moment, she does her best with the powers she already has. Also we are already happy with the job her party is doing in smaller posts in France.

    What would happen if she is elected ? She will not have full power of course, the national assembly will still have 577 deputees voting the laws. So if her governement proposes a law, they still have to make it pass by the assembly etc. If the majority of assembly is OK with the text, laws will pass. This is possible for her to pass many things I think but for the moment let's concentrate on her program and proposals.

    BTW I don't get your delirium about Russia, all that I know is that she respects Putin as well she respect Donald Trump but she has nothing to do with them, she just wants to have diplomatic relationship because he is not belligerant and prefers to communicate instead of provocating and rejecting like every french politician does towards Russia. She's the more neutral IMO.

    Marine Lepen biography : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Le_Pen

    I invite you to watch that very short video (subtitled in english) about her now, thanks :

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    Well I don't really know that woman, all I care is that she is friend of Putin and anti-EU and this is bad for my country. Maybe a bit better than that UKIP looney Farage who blaims Romanians and Bulgarians for everything

    You speak of her as you know her personally, don't think everything she does is from pure intentions.

    Western European politics are something weird, either liberal left wingies who embrace "refugees" and turn EU into political union, or far rights neo-nutzies who create tension between Christians and Muslims with their idiot statements and think their countries would do better economically separated. I don't understand this. Also I don't understand these who claim to be "pro-Europe" but "anti-EU"

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