Are Finns, Scandinavians?

[Sahson]

In modern usage, a term to encompass Scandinavians and Finns in a geographical sense. It's not related to (sub) race or linguistics. However it can be used in a racial sense, which I am not referring to. In a racial sense Nordic people can be found in abundance in countries like Germany, Netherlands and England too (and Estonia; Latvia for that matter ).

You forgot the most scandinavian country of them all, Yorkshire & the humber.

[Moonbird]

Finns are not Scandinavian in any sense of the word. Not in the geographic and not in the ethnic.

True. But Finland-Swedes are - more or less - Scandinavian in the etnic sense of the word. But of course not in the geographic one.

[Pallantides]

Is Pallantides, Nordic?

Yes I am.

I'm racially and genetically similar to other Norwegians so that makes me Nordic.




If it's about phenotype, Agrippa classifed me as Atlanto-Nordid with Lappid/Baltid influence.

Culturally, yes. All Norwegians are Nordic, it doesn't matter how they look like.

If they are ethnic Norwegians they are Nordic.

[ikki]

True. But Finland-Swedes are - more or less - Scandinavian in the etnic sense of the word. But of course not in the geographic one.

otoh that scandinavian in the geohraphic sense is a rather silly determinant -countries with mountains from the scandic range. More or less just sweden-norway then. And not encompassing denmark or iceland.

Ofcourse, some of the mountainrange i believe do extend into finland aswell so finland would be scandinavian aswell. More like hills, but still.
Either way using it as a geographic term is well.. silly..

[Eldritch]

Finns are not Scandinavians. End of story.

[Don Brick]

True. But Finland-Swedes are - more or less - Scandinavian in the etnic sense of the word. But of course not in the geographic one.

Overall I don´t consider Finland-Swedes Scandinavian, they´re just Finns. However from a linguistic point of view they are obviously Scandinavian. If by ethnicity you mean culture and genetic makeup they are not necessarily any more "Scandinavian" (not sure of the proper definition here) than many Finnish speaking Finns.

[The Ripper]

Overall I don´t consider Finland-Swedes Scandinavian, they´re just Finns. However from a linguistic point of view they are obviously Scandinavian. If by ethnicity you mean culture and genetic makeup they are not necessarily any more "Scandinavian" (not sure of the proper definition here) than many Finnish speaking Finns.

Well I would say that they have far stronger connections to the Nordic identity thanks to language. And its also important to remember that Finland-Swedes are quite diverse with many sub-groups, such as the Ostrobothnian farmers, the Helsinki-area city elite, the people of the southern coast, Ålanders, etc. The Ostrobothnians for example identify quite clearly as "Swedish" vs. "Finnish" and they are also genetically less "diluted" and have stronger links to Sweden. People in the southern cities often have a more "Finlander" and even "Finsk" identity and they are often bilingual. Ålanders are rather separate from the rest of Finlandssvenskar, imo.

They are Scandinavian as they speak a North-Germanic language and they identify with the rest of Scandinavia (as well as Finland).

[Eldritch]

Overall I don´t consider Finland-Swedes Scandinavian, they´re just Finns.

Well some (not all but some) Finn-Swedes, including our own lovely Vonnita, will beg to differ with you on this point.

(not sure of the proper definition here)

Have no fear, no-one else is sure of it either. Or rather everyone is, but unfortunately the proper definition is never the same one from one person to another.

Regárding Ålanders, they are basically Swedes (and therefore Scandinavians) rather than Finns, so I think it's mighty unfair that the Finnish government picks up their tab.

[Loki]

Overall I don´t consider Finland-Swedes Scandinavian, they´re just Finns. However from a linguistic point of view they are obviously Scandinavian. If by ethnicity you mean culture and genetic makeup they are not necessarily any more "Scandinavian" (not sure of the proper definition here) than many Finnish speaking Finns.

Do you also use this rationale when the topic is Finnish people living in Sweden? (there is such a minority in border areas). Are they simply Swedes?

[The Ripper]

Do you also use this rationale when the topic is Finnish people living in Sweden? (there is such a minority in border areas). Are they simply Swedes?

Eh, Stockholm and Göteborg, the cities with the largest Finnish populations, aren't exactly border areas.