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That it's arvanite, or? Arvanits settled mostly in peloponesusOriginally Posted by Trojet
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Those j2b2s could maybe be assimilated chams or something instead?
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Yeah, I'm sure some are.That it's arvanite, or? Arvanits settled mostly in peloponesus
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Those j2b2s could maybe be assimilated chams or something instead?
J2b2 in general is quite diverse in the Balkans. But this expansion according to the data we have, seems a Bronze Age one, so I wouldn't necessarily attribute all J2b2 in Grecee as Albanian/Arvanite. I would make such assumptions with Greek samples that cluster with Albanians, whether it's J2b2 or any of our haplogroups.
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J2b2 is indo european and PH1751 is Albanian
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J-PH1751 origin most definitely lies somewhere in Northern Albania. Recently an Albanian from Mirditë through BigY tested ancestral for J-PH1751. The TMRCA between Albanian samples is ca. 2400 ybp or 400 BC (Illyrian times). He defines an ancestral clade in J-PH2967, or as YFull calls it J-Y20899:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y20899/
The origin of J-Z1296 itself (4200 ybp) might very well be in the same area (or Western Balkans), since there is Albanians from the area in other J-Z1296 sub-branches, as can be seen here:
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Damn thats super cool belonging to an ancestral Illyrian clade, that guy probably had an orgasm after learning about thisJ-PH1751 origin most definitely lies somewhere in Northern Albania. Recently an Albanian from Mirditë through BigY tested ancestral for J-PH1751. The TMRCA between Albanian samples is 2400 ybp or 400 BC (Illyrian times). He defines an ancestral clade J-PH2967 or as YFull calls it J-Y20899:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y20899/
The origin of J-Z1296 (4200 ybp) itself might very well be in the same area, as there is Albanians in other sub-branches, as can be seen here:
yet again so would I
23andme: 100% Balkan https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
MyOrigins 2.0: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian
Eurogenes K36 oracle: 50.64% Albania_North+ 49.36% Kosovo. Population distance: 1) 1.27 Northern Albania&Kosovo
Ydna: J1-ZS241
Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*
The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...
- Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.
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