Origin of J-PH1751 ?

[Trojet]

Yes, i believe you that. J2b2a is mutation how you already pointed out that was born in Albania or Greece if that is true, but however true origins of all J2 are Levantine.
Arent they? I mean if you want to find origins then you have to ask yourself what is upstream of J2b2a, and if you go upstream enough you will reach birthplace aka Levant.

Correct me if i am wrong

True, but we're talking about PH1751 or J2b2a1a1a.... downstream of J2b2a1-L283: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L283/

The whole "J2" is ca. 28000 years old: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/
My guess is that J2 originated north of the Levant, probably Caucasus.

[GoneWithTheWind]

Also could the proto albanian steppe warriors of been j2b2

[Trojet]

Yeah. Hg J: Its origin is either Caucasus or Levant. But j2b l283 subclade seems to be pred. Albanian. A lot of albos here match eachother. I wobder when we split etc and from where. Could ve a highlander ting knaw msayi

Even L283 is too old (5900 ybp) to know where it originated. It likely did in Western Anatolia.
However the downstream branch J-Z597 does look like originated/expanded out of Balkans ca 4300 ybp: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L283/

[Trojet]

Given the bronze age expansion in the Balkans of J2b2a-Z597,Z628 and and earlier split of J2b2a-L283 found in ancient Bronze Age Armenia (I-E country), I believe it likely came with some "Indo-European group" to the Balkans

[Dema]

Is this the one? https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1751/

It says tmrca 1150 ybp

[GoneWithTheWind]

Given the bronze age expansion in the Balkans of J2b2a-Z597,Z628 and and earlier split of J2b2a-L283 found in ancient Bronze Age Armenia (I-E country), I believe it likely came with some "Indo European" group to the Balkans

It could of come with IE. Picked up before they entered Europe. Even E could of. I remember Kurgan had a interesting map about r1b+j2b2 albanians expanding from central europe/lithuania and into balkans

[GoneWithTheWind]

Is this the one? https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1751/

It says tmrca 1150 ybp

Yes.

[Trojet]

It could of come with IE. Picked up before they entered Europe. Even E could of. I remember Kurgan had a interesting map about r1b+j2b2 albanians expanding from central europe/lithuania and into balkans

Yes, it's also been absent in Neolithic remains from Anatolia and Balkans to date, so that would suggest it probably came later (Copper Age, Bronze Age?). We need more ancient DNA from Balkans though. We barely have anything

[Skerdilaid]

Is this the one? https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1751/

It says tmrca 1150 ybp

TMRCA between Trojet and the Italian (Arberesh, Palisi).

[GoneWithTheWind]

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