oldest Y haplogroup found in europe: C and CF -- any members who have them?

i wonder if theres any one here who have this group because the oldest modern homo sapiens sapiens samples found in europe were C -- both in western and eastern europe.

37,000 years old kostyonki man as aoldest modern human being found in europe so far was ydnk C and mtdnk U2.

also in 2016 we learnt, that from oldest western hunter gatherer samples we have C.
35,000 years old goyet hunter gatherer of belgium was y C and mt M.
30,000 years old vestonitse hunter gatherer of czech republic was y C and mt U5.

and 7,000 years old la brana hunter gatherers of north west spain were C1a2 and U5b2c1 (but i think they werent brothers) and around same time the same y dnk was present in ancients in hungary.

though i read that proto aurignacian (47,000-43,000 years old) homo sapiens y dnk was basal F and their mtdnks were N and R. so maybe its better to put it this say as CF is oldest in europe so far. but in terms of whgs C was oldest for them. also during aurignacian culture (between 43,000-28,000), the types of C were CT, C1a and C1b.

and these kept being seen in more recent times too, for instance:

Starčevo–Kőrös–Criş Culture (c. 8,000 to 6,500 ybp ; Southeast Europe): F (x2), G2, G2a (x5), G2a2b (x2), H2, I, I2a, I2a1
Linear Pottery Culture (aka LBK, c. 8,000 to 6,500 ybp ; Central Europe): C1a2 (x2), F (x2), G2a2a (x3), G2a2a1 (x2), G2a2b (x3), I1, T1a (x2)
Sopot & Lengyel Cultures (7000 to 5400 ybp ; Central Europe): E1b1b-M78, I2a, J2
Cardium Pottery Culture (c. 8,400 to 4,700 ybp ; Mediterranean Europe): E1b1b-V13, G2a (x3), I2a1b1, R1b1c-V88
Atlantic Megalithic Culture (c. 7,000 to 4,000 ybp ; Western Europe): G2a (x20); H2, I2a1 (x4), I2a2a1b2
Funnelbeaker Culture (aka TRB, c. 6,000 to 4,700 ybp ; Northern Europe):
Baalberge group (c. 5,800 to 5,350 ybp ; central Germany): I, R1
Salzmünde group (5,400 to 5,000 ybp : East Germany): G2a2a (x2), I2a1b1a (x2)

in terms of today in europe i read people with family name llach in garrotxa of catalonia, spain have it, unlike same family name people from other areas.
and it also seen in these countries among others and in these family names:
(but keep in mind not all bearers/inheriters of these family names have to have be same like them)
in english: coote, kinsman, spiller
in german: naumann
in spanish: rivas
in irish: condon, creed, thompson
in northern irish: thompson
in scots: aitcheson, elliott
in hungarians: kisch, papp
in italians: marazzo
in poles: bemben, kulma, sosinowski, sosnowski
in european canadians: doucet, doucette, king, savoy
in austrians: kaufmann

not a haplogroup which happened to have great impact in europe in terms of today obviously but overall in very small percentages its all around west-east and north-south in europe.

so any member who have such group or with a real life acquaintances? a relative or a friend?

any one? or do you know wich klads of c were these?

btw dienikes says

Brown-skinned, blue-eyed, Y-haplogroup C-bearing European hunter-gatherer from Spain (Olalde et al. 2014)


The other finding (not mentioned in the abstract) is that La Brana 1 belonged to Y-haplogroup C6! This is a low-frequency European clade of haplogroup C. So now, we have evidence that haplogroup C is not eastern Eurasian (as the presence of its subclades in Australia, India, East Asia, and the Americas might suggest), but a pan-Eurasian entity.

[Not a Cop]

I think there is or was some Iberian member here with that haplogroup.

[Petalpusher]

Goldfenix is F and V.

[Peterski]

As of January 2016, "C Haplogroup Y-DNA" Project on Family Tree DNA included the following:

C1a2 (Paleo-European: Aurignacian, Gravettian, La Brana, etc.) - 15 people:

C1a2-V20:

Ireland - 2
Upper Lusatia (Leipzig) - 1

C1a2a-V222:

Scotland - 1
Ireland - 1
England - 1
Calabria - 1
Subcarpathia (Komarnyky, near Lviv) - 1
Ithaca Island - 1
Hungary - 1
Ulster - 2

C1a2a2-Z29329:

Subcarpathia (Stare Miasto - "Old Town" in Polish - near Rzeszów) - 1
Valencian Country (Soneja) - 1
Aragon - 1

C2b1c-F4002 (this is often called "Genghis Khan's descendants") - 3 people:

Russia (Sudzha, Kursk Oblast) - 1
Ukraine (Poltava) - 1
Bukovina (Rădăuţi) - 1

C2e-Z1338 (IIRC the most common East Asian subclade of C) - 1 person:

Ireland - 1

C2b1a1b-F3985 (likely ANE, related to Amerindian C2b1a1a-P39) - 4 people:

Vorarlberg - 1
Českobudějovická Pánev - 1
Mazovia - 2

C2b1-F1699 (probably also F3985, but not tested deep enough) - 3 people:

Rhineland - 1
Thuringia - 1
Upper Spiš (Slovenská Ves) - 1

C in case of which subclade was not established (as of January) - 4 people:

Cornwall - 1
Rhineland - 1
Sicily - 1
Campania - 1

C1b (Kostenki14 cluster) - not found in modern Europe so far (AFAIK).

[Lucas]

C1b (Kostenki14 cluster) - not found in modern Europe (but Australian Aborigines have it).

You are sure of this? I recently found original article (in Russian) about Kostenki XIV and he was indeed proto-Australoid in skull appearance.

Could you give link to paper?

[Peterski]

Also in: "Y chromosome polymorphisms and haplotypes in South Saxony-Anhalt (Germany)":

http://www.fsijournal.org/article/S0...05)00021-6/pdf

Authors found 1 sample (frequency 0.43%) of C among 234 Germans from Halle an der Saale.

[Peterski]

Could you give link to paper?

To paper about what? About Kostenki14 or about haplogroups of Australian Aborigines?

[Lucas]

To paper about what? About Kostenki14 or about haplogroups of Australian Aborigines?

Kostenki 14 haplogroup

[Peterski]

Kostenki 14 haplogroup

It is from Fu 2016 (haplogroups are listed in "Extended Data Table 1"):

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Ice_Age_Europe

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture17993.html

Also Genetiker added some extra information about some haplogroups:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016...ce-age-europe/