oldest Y haplogroup found in europe: C and CF -- any members who have them?

[Lucas]

Thanks

[Rethel]

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Goldfenix is F and V.

whoaa hail to the boss goldfenix!! wheres that featured vintage guy now??? he deserve a tribute from us

[Longbowman]

can confirm GF is F and V, I have him on 23andme. Very rare, collect them all!

[Dorian]

I'm not much into these things but I was wondering could this component be the reason for the pseudo-asiatic appearance of paleolithic survivors?

[gold_fenix]

Goldfenix is F and V.

Correct

[Myanthropologies]

I think i have the mtdna

[Peterski]

Some new samples from Upper Paleolithic Russia (Sunghir):

http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...cience.aao1807

mtDNA: 1x U8c, 3x U2

Y-DNA: all (4x) C1a2

Individual Coverage Sex mtDNA Y-DNA Age(calBP)
Sunghir 1 1.11 M U8c C1a2 33,875-31,770
Sunghir 2 4.08 M U2 C1a2 35,283-33,185
Sunghir 3 10.75 M U2 C1a2 35,154-33,031
Sunghir 4 3.87 M U2 C1a2 34,485-33,499
Sunghir 5 0.001 - - - 30,780-29,746*

Individuals mapped onto a previously inferred admix-ture graph of early Eurasians (4, 8) placed the Sunghir cluster as a descendent of a lineage related to the Kostenki 14 individual, contributing the major fraction of the ancestry of the ‘Vêstonice cluster’ (Fig. 3C and figs. S21 to S24). Adding the low coverage Kostenki 12 individual suggests a closer relationship to the Sunghir group rather than with the ear-lier Kostenki 14 individual (fig. S25). Finally, Kostenki 14 shows substantial population-specific drift after its diver-gence from the shared ancestor with Sunghir, allowing us to reject a direct ancestral relationship to both Sunghir and Kostenki 12 (fig. S26).

The admix graph models as follows:

Vestonice: 84% Sunghir + 16% Villabruna
El Miron: 46% Villabruna + 54% Goyet
Loschbour: 91% Villabruna + 9% Goyet

[Sacrificed Ram]

Any G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T is also CF.

[Grab the Gauge]

This paper (2017) suggests an out of Asia scenario of modern human origins and links Y-DNA Haplogroups ABCD and E to Neanderthals:


http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudie...s-out-of-asia/


Under this schema, R, Q, I, T, etc would be modern human haplogroups. All from East Asia, maybe even North America.


Neanderthals (according to that paper, highly evolved archaic Africans) did indeed mate with modern human women:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...0000-years-ago