"Tribal" vs "Imperial" Nations in Europe

[Mortimer]

I dont know if I use the correct words but to me I see slight difference between nations like French and British who I call "imperial" and nations like Germans, Poles etc. I think in "imperial" nations the term and identity "white" is more commonplace. For example Britain. I guess in France too. In Germany it exists and is important but less then in Britain or France. I think Germany is a "ethnic/tribal" nation but French and British are "imperial/pan-european" nations. Do you think you understand what I mean and do you agree?

[Bezprym]

I don't understand what you mean. There is no such a thing as "tribal nation". You refer to the nations which are homo- and heterogenous?

[Mortimer]

I don't understand what you mean. There is no such a thing as "tribal nation". You refer to the nations which are homo- and heterogenous?

Why not? I said initially I dont know if I use exactly the correct words for what I think though. I labeled it like that. If you dont understand what I mean, I cant help you.

[Bezprym]

Why not?

Because a nation consists of unified tribes. In Germany you have Bavarians, Lusatians, Saxons and other groups of people who create German nation. In Poland you have Polans, Vistulans, Kashubians and many other groups who create Polish nation. Nation isn't one tribe, at least in Europe.

If you dont understand what I mean, I cant help you.

You can - by answering my question, for example.

[Bezprym]

There are two terms: nation state which refers to the homogenous country, where the majority of population is of same nationality - for example Hungary, Estonia or Poland; and multinational state which consists of various nationalities living in one country - for instance Russia or Spain. I think by "tribal" you may refer to the nation state, and by "imperial" to multinational.

[Mortimer]

Because a nation consists of unified tribes. In Germany you have Bavarians, Lusatians, Saxons and other groups of people who create German nation. In Poland you have Polans, Vistulans, Kashubians and many other groups who create Polish nation. Nation isn't one tribe, at least in Europe.



You can - by answering my question, for example.

I mean more along the line of that "tribes are still important" and ethnicity like german. Maybe I should have said "ethnicity nations". Its hard for me to put it in words, sorry.

[Mortimer]

There are two terms: nation state which refers to the homogenous country, where the majority of population is of same nationality - for example Hungary, Estonia or Poland; and multinational state which consists of various nationalities living in one country - for instance Russia or Spain. I think by "tribal" you may refer to the nation state, and by "imperial" to multinational.

yes, but not exactly, germany is nowadays quiete multicultural too but "german" is still very important and "norm", its still different to britain where you have black british, etc. in britain maybe english is similar to german and british is more of a imperial identity.

[Albobalboa]

I get what you mean and I agree. It's about the the identity itself. You can't be "German" unless you really are an ethnic German. You can on the other hand be French or British as there is really no "ethnic" French or British.

[Rethel]

Poles are not to much "tribal" becasue we have
during last 850 years multiculturalism in version,
which is still not available for Western Europe.

[Bezprym]

Poles are not to much "tribal" becasue we have
during last 850 years multiculturalism in version,
which is still not available for Western Europe.

The version of multicultural society which was present here before WW2, won't take place in Western Europe, I'm afraid. They just chose the wrong way.