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    “The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”

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    Here it goes! 1 North_Sea 25.99
    2 Atlantic 18.06
    3 West_Med 13.91
    4 East_Med 12.73
    5 Eastern_Euro 9.61
    6 Baltic 9.48
    7 West_Asian 6.67
    8 Red_Sea 2.8
    9 Amerindian 0.38
    10 Northeast_African 0.35
    11 South_Asian 0.02

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    North_Sea 21.34
    Atlantic 23.18
    Baltic 21.05
    Eastern_Euro 14.07
    West_Med 9.20
    West_Asian 1.28
    East_Med 8.00
    Red_Sea 1.05
    South_Asian 0.84

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    1North_Sea31.52
    2Baltic20.74
    3Atlantic16.65
    4Eastern_Euro15.15
    5West_Med8.54
    6East_Med4.31

    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 East_German @ 9.347355
    2 Southwest_Finnish @ 9.512452
    3 Hungarian @ 9.955439
    4 Finnish @ 10.047032
    5 North_Swedish @ 10.453338
    6 Ukrainian @ 12.619826
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.786934
    8 Swedish @ 12.880847
    9 South_Polish @ 12.961146
    10 Polish @ 14.033905
    11 Norwegian @ 14.261479
    12 Austrian @ 14.567728
    13 Estonian @ 14.661439
    14 West_German @ 14.822380
    15 Croatian @ 14.862739
    16 East_Finnish @ 14.964718
    17 North_German @ 15.192172
    18 Moldavian @ 16.127857
    19 Danish @ 16.488720
    20 North_Dutch @ 16.540100

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +50% Ukrainian @ 4.473829


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.473829


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Estonian + Norwegian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 4.366931

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    I don't like this calculator though , even with four populations it can't get me under a distance of 4

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    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 37.03
    2 West_Med 25.90
    3 North_Sea 18.92
    4 East_Med 6.70
    5 Amerindian 3.83
    6 West_Asian 2.40
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.04


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Aragon @ 7.976861
    2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.168044
    3 Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.424111
    4 Spanish_Valencia @ 10.524311
    5 Southwest_French @ 10.729913
    6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.187727
    7 French_Basque @ 11.499872
    8 Spanish_Murcia @ 12.135552
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.899812
    10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 12.928766
    11 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.966789
    12 Portuguese @ 14.433794
    13 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.341076
    14 North_Italian @ 19.555025
    15 French @ 20.633987
    16 South_Dutch @ 24.864025
    17 Tuscan @ 26.030832
    18 Southwest_English @ 26.804722
    19 Southeast_English @ 28.107264
    20 West_German @ 29.021217

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.089429


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.075921


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
    1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.075921
    2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.089429
    3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.099064
    4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.109778
    5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.126098
    6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.126349
    7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.134191
    8 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.146546
    9 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.154915
    10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.156411
    11 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.159794
    12 French_Basque + French_Basque + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.164085
    13 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.169383
    14 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.172392
    15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.173327
    16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.184607
    17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.186610
    18 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.187178
    19 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.188937
    20 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.236137

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    Im not sure if it will work for me. but here it goes:

    1 Atlantic 22.68
    2 West_Med 13.18
    3 North_Sea 13.06
    4 Amerindian 12.96
    5 Sub-Saharan 10.57
    6 East_Med 7.95
    7 Baltic 6.33
    8 West_Asian 4.89
    9 Red_Sea 4.68
    10 Eastern_Euro 3.27
    11 Northeast_African 0.34
    12 Oceanian 0.08
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Newman I have bad news, you are not Pure Barbarian, you have some Civilized Admixture too.

    Must be this East_Med thing (because all Ancient Germanics and Celts scored 0% of East_Med):


    Probably some legionaries settled along the Rhine and messed around with local Germanics?:

    I also have East_Med but only 2,70% so I'm less civilized.
    Do you consider romans as east-med? Italy is at central-western-southern Europe, and not eastern. The peninsula is very long and if you consider that the northerner part of Italy starts at la Vetta d'Italia (Glockenkarkopf o Klockerkarkopf in german), on the alps bordering with Austria, and placed North of the 47º parallel, and that Italy borders with France (west), Switzerland (west and North), Austria (North) and Slovenjia (east), you cannot think that romans were eastern.

    Maybe neither med, being admixed with latins whose origin was nordo-central Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Those Bronze Age Hungarians were very similar to modern Iberians.

    They often score Iberian or French in Single Population Sharing. That's why Ibericus is so close to them. CrazyDaisy is shifted more towards the north-east due to her Amerindian & German admixtures.
    Like etruscans?

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    23andme:
    Population
    North_Sea 12.55
    Atlantic 10.61
    Baltic 16.69
    Eastern_Euro 5.63
    West_Med 19.29
    West_Asian 9.54
    East_Med 21.52
    Red_Sea 3.31
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.86
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Ftdna:
    Population
    North_Sea 11.96
    Atlantic 14.31
    Baltic 13.63
    Eastern_Euro 6.44
    West_Med 20.21
    West_Asian 9.17
    East_Med 20.48
    Red_Sea 3.81
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -
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    Ydna: J1-ZS241

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Just post your Eurogenes K15 results and I can add you to my PCA:

    So far, I added 24 ancient samples: 12 Celtic, 6 Germanic, 6 Iranic.

    Germanic = avg. for 6 ancient Germanic samples
    Celtic = average for 12 ancient Celtic samples

    PCA (based on Eurogenes K15 results):

    Large size: https://i.imgur.com/mAnOTqm.png



    I also plan to add more of ancient samples later on.

    Maybe you can suggest which samples should I add?
    Can you add me ? Because I want to compare with Feiichy

    North_Sea 21.68
    Atlantic 16.55
    Baltic 18.40
    Eastern_Euro 12.32
    West_Med 9.46
    West_Asian 10.00
    East_Med 7.10
    Red_Sea 0.22
    South_Asian 1.87
    Southeast_Asian -
    Siberian 1.36
    Amerindian 0.53
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.50
    Sub-Saharan -

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