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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    I don't actively claim that there is no deity. All in all, as far as I am concerned and my knowledge to this matter lets me ... I think I am an agnostic. Sometimes (very rarely) I do pray so I guess it is impossible that I am an atheist. I am not a very keen observer of my religion (well I am a christened Roman Catholic) but I barely follow and I am mixed up on whether any personified God there is.
    I know you don't, but it is not necessary to do so, in the order to be considered an atheist, by the definition I use, at least. You're using a more strict definition, I'm using a more general one and both usages are viable. Which one is more useful? I'd argue, my is, though. Pretty much everyone would agree, that there is a possibility of god's existence - that'd mean atheists are virtually nonexistent, which is rather counterintuitive, regarding how we use the word in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    I know you don't, but it is not necessary to do so, in the order to be considered an atheist, by the definition I use, at least. You're using a more strict definition, I'm using a more general one and both usages are viable. Which one is more useful? I'd argue, my is, though. Pretty much everyone would agree, that there is a possibility of god's existence - that'd mean atheists are virtually nonexistent, which is rather counterintuitive, regarding how we use the word in the first place.
    Atheists when asked about the existence of god will say ''it does not exist!'' while agnostics will say that they are unsure or simply not interested in the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Atheists when asked about the existence of god will say ''it does not exist!'' while agnostics will say that they are unsure or simply not interested in the subject.
    We're now deep into the realm of definitions and usage of language. What makes it hard is that there are no established definitions of terms, as it is so in mathematics. Different philosophers define the terms in a different way. I can easily make my case, that you are in fact an atheist, using certain philosophers' definitions and you could do the same in the order to make a case, that you are not. According to certain definitions (and far from some fringe ones, on the contrary), an atheist can easily answer 'I don't know' to such a question.

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