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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
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    All your writings (even though I respect them) are no different than writings of religious ppl, both of you (no offence) have no clue what to do with your life considering spirituality, in one way both of you are opposite sides of same coin.

    Truth about this is not complicated for our state of mind, because even if it would be complicated you or I or anyone else couldn't comprehend it, so it is in fact very simple.
    Are you saying there is a shortcut to the knowledge of God that circumvents logic and reason. I don't know of such a path.

    If you are interested in spirituality in Atheist terms, I'd highly recommend Sam Harris' "Waking up - A Guide to Spirituality without Religion". I just got the book, I have only read the first two chapters so far. I will add more comments to your comment, once I am done reading it. Or I might even open a new thread title "Spirituality without Religion".

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    Arguments against the Existence of God - Arguments for the Non-existence of God.

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    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ents+Existence

    Arguments against religious belief

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    You say you don't see God so "he" doesn't exist?
    I say that there is no evidence to suggest that he does. But, I go one step further in asserting that a God in fact does not exist, however then I'd have a burden of proof to meet. However this is not required of me, since I am an Atheist, and Atheism is simply the rejection of theistic God claims. If I find the evidence lacking I judge that "God is not guilty of existing". This does not mean I assert "God is innocent of existing". In a court of law, the weight of the evidence determines the belief position (guilty or not guilty). And the way to ascertain existential claims is that something doesn't exist until it's been (sufficiently) demonstrated to exist. Now if you believe there is a God. Can you demonstrate it to me?

    Do you see thoughts of some person's brain? No? Means that person and his/her brain doesn't exist...or?
    I don't have to see thoughts. That is an impossibility. We can measure thoughts with all kinds of scanning technology (ex. electro-encophalography, functional MRI, etc.) That's a physical manifestation. I can't see microwaves either, but they manifest heat. As long as it is detectable, it exists. Is God detectable? If you say not, then in what way does God exist?
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    Religious folks, what reason or evidence do you have for your religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    @Petros Agapetos

    All your writings (even though I respect them) are no different than writings of religious ppl, both of you (no offence) have no clue what to do with your life considering spirituality, in one way both of you are opposite sides of same coin.

    Truth about this is not complicated for our state of mind, because even if it would be complicated you or I or anyone else couldn't comprehend it, so it is in fact very simple.
    I wanted to offer people actual philosophical arguments for the existence of God, to ground their beliefs more firmly epistemologically.

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    An Ontological Counter-proof for the non-existence of God

    1. A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W; and
    2. A being has maximal greatness if it has maximal excellence in every possible world.
    3. It is possible that there isn’t a being that has maximal greatness. (Premise)
    4. Therefore, possibly, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being does not exist.
    6. Therefore, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being does not exist. (axiom S5)
    7. Therefore, an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being does not exist.[/QUOTE]

    Do you find this ontological counter-argument convincing?

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    God exists and he is a fucking punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    Just because I can conjure up something necessarily existing doesn't mean it necessarily exists in reality. The argument is not sound. The conclusion is not true, if it were valid. And it is not even valid. Granting all the premises does not guarantee the truth of the conclusion. It is not of a truth preserving form.
    You clearly don't understand the argument, nor are you able to say things beyond typical talking points you would hear on something like TheAtheistExperience. Because you are an autist. A shitty little pretentious autist.

    Why don't you get this simple point? Are you an imbecile? How would you feel if I started insulting you for (supposedly) not understanding something. And yet you have the nerve to call me all these names?
    You are the only one who doesn't understand shit you frog-faced little autistic moron. I would slap you until you stopped croaking IRL.

    I don't owe you an explication of what I understand. Though, I have given it in my thread.
    If your reasoning capacity isn't sufficient to grasp the concepts it's not really my fault.
    What you owe everyone is not pretending to understand things you don't understand and being able to take criticism.

    Don't try to talk down to me, I am not your student sir, you are here on your own volition, if you don't like me threads, try to avoid them.
    You are not only my student but I will also make you my BITCH when this is over.

    I am not a Johnny-come-lately to this subject, you tool.
    Which is even worse, because you clearly don't understand a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    An Ontological Counter-proof for the non-existence of God

    1. A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W; and
    2. A being has maximal greatness if it has maximal excellence in every possible world.
    3. It is possible that there isn’t a being that has maximal greatness. (Premise)
    4. Therefore, possibly, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being does not exist.
    6. Therefore, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being does not exist. (axiom S5)
    7. Therefore, an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being does not exist.
    Do you find this ontological counter-argument convincing?[/QUOTE]

    Of course not because you don't fucking understand logic, frogface. Stop butchering this shit and fix your autism.

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