Central Asia category?

['owight Gavnah]

Ah ok I've met a few Pashtuns from Lahore (whose parents/grandparents moved from KPK to Punjab) but culturally there like other urban Pakistanis and speak mainly Urdu etc. Would they not be Pashtuns ? Would someone like Saif Ali Khan be considered Pashtun ?

No

[Mingle]

No you didn't.

But, alright, Afghans are Central Asians, then West Asians, then Europeans, then South Asians. It has nothing to do with the region at all.



Northwest Pakistan, specifically the Peshwar valley is not traditional Pashtun land, only has become since the last 3-4 centuries. In fact, the city of Peshwar was Hindkowan (Punjabis basically) majority until like the 1960s. Hazara region in KPK too is the remnants of the once dominant Hindowan group. Also, some Pashtuns themselves have adopted the Hindkowan language in KPK.

Btw, isn't being a Muslim, a requirement for Pashtun identity in terms of culture, or so I've heard?

KPK and eastern Afg were Indic only in ancient times. I don't see how that's relevant to 2016.

Peshawar was referred to as an Afghan city during the wars against the Sikhs. It got Hindko influence later and then became Pashtun again.

I'm not going to list every district in KPK. When I'm referring to KPK in this context, its obvious I'm excluding the Dardic and Hindko parts of it.

There is no official requirement to who a Pashtun is. Its pretty obvious what makes a Pashtun a Pashtun.

[Shah-Jehan]

KPK and eastern Afg were Indic only in ancient times. I don't see how that's relevant to 2016.

Peshawar was referred to as an Afghan city during the wars against the Sikhs. It got Hindko influence later and then became Pashtun again.

I'm not going to list every district in KPK. When I'm referring to KPK in this context, its obvious I'm excluding the Dardic and Hindko parts of it.

There is no official requirement to who a Pashtun is. Its pretty obvious what makes a Pashtun a Pashtun.

Also, last question before I leave the thread.

Why are pure Pashtuns who settled in the Punjab and Sindh not considered Pashtun, but Farsi speaking Pashtuns from Kabul are?

[Mingle]

Ah ok I've met a few Pashtuns from Lahore (whose parents/grandparents moved from KPK to Punjab) but culturally there like other urban Pakistanis and speak mainly Urdu etc. Would they not be Pashtuns ? Would someone like Saif Ali Khan be considered Pashtun ?

Pashtuns that stay connected with their culture and identity but live outside their homeland are Pashtun but those wannabe Pashtuns from South Asia who claim they are Pashtun cause their great-great (x5) grandfather was Pashtun aren't Pashtun. I've actually met many of those types. Don't know so many of them exist.

Saif Ali Khan is an Indian.

[Mingle]

Also, last question before I leave the thread.

Why are pure Pashtuns who settled in the Punjab and Sindh not considered Pashtun, but Farsi speaking Pashtuns from Kabul are?

I consider the Pashtuns of Mianwali, Attock, and Hazara to be Pashtun e.g. Imran Khan.

[Shah-Jehan]

I consider the Pashtuns of Mianwali, Attock, and Hazara to be Pashtun e.g. Imran Khan.

Sorry, I'm extending my stay, but a lot of your compatriots like Ownight Gavnah who's not even fully Pashtun himself, don't consider them Pashtun

and also, Pathans who are descendants of century old pashtuns don't consider themselves Afghans or Pashtuns at all, and "Pathan" mainly refers to their caste (yes Muslims in South Asia have castes), its not an ethnic title. It only gets a bit complicated when Pashtuns/Pakhtuns are also referred to as Pathans in the Urdu language by others.

[Profileid]

Actually that's a perfect description, if we're including Iran as Middle Eastern. These terms are all stupid anyways. We know that Afghanistan and the "Middle east" is definitely West Eurasia, but the specific regions are hard to break down.

Afghanistan isn't part of the middle east.

[Myanthropologies]

Afghanistan isn't part of the middle east.

The Middle East is a make believe idea anyways

[Myanthropologies]

Sorry, I'm extending my stay, but a lot of your compatriots like Ownight Gavnah who's not even fully Pashtun himself, don't consider them Pashtun

and also, Pathans who are descendants of century old pashtuns don't consider themselves Afghans or Pashtuns at all, and "Pathan" mainly refers to their caste (yes Muslims in South Asia have castes), its not an ethnic title. It only gets a bit complicated when Pashtuns/Pakhtuns are also referred to as Pathans in the Urdu language by others.

LOL you sound way too desperate to tie pashtuns to indians that you even go as far as discrediting other Afghan members for being half Afghan Tajik, which is virtually the same thing and is 100x less alien than South Asians are. Using your own logic, you would hurt any chance of you being able to claim yourself as pashtun or persian if you belittle a half pashtun and half tajik, when you (probably) only have like one pashtun or persian great grandparent.

I have nothing against south asians, and I actually believe that high caste indians and Bengalis have some pashtun and persian ancestry, but they are not pashtuns or persians. Why are you so obsessed with a culture you don't even know the langauge of and probably didn't even know existed until you came on the internet?

Afghanistan is not South Asia and belongs to a greater Iranian category, which ultimately belongs to west-central asia. Nobody is denying south asian influence, but South asian Iranic wannabism is annoying.