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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    A handful of clades are obvious recent-ish converts, yes. All the people who were positive for R1b L47 had different surnames, too.

    On the other hand, most of the E3b and J seems to be Near Eastern.
    That surname bit is very interesting, is there a source?

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    E1b1b1a2 1 0.8%
    you mean v13?

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    Could someone here just explain why people think Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, all the lines that you'd think are European (e.g. H, U) are in roughly the same proportions as the Lebanese, and the K and N1b lines can hardly be seen as obviously European (besides K2c).

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    I suppose you would have to presume, though, that they are European in origin by intuition, as Sephardim look (a lot more) and plot slightly more Middle Eastern, and they have far more European Y DNA (Ashkenazim have less than 10%, probably lower), so you'd expect them to have more Middle Eastern mtDNA to make sense given they're more Middle Eastern. Still though, I'm confused, as it also seems like Sephardim have A LOT more European mtDNA too, I mean look at that H and U - there's no subclades here, but still, that is obviously European in origin as Sephardim don't seem to have gone through any severe founder effects to create this much seemingly European mtDNA:
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    That could be North African H though, but then you have to ask why there isn't any mtdna L there that is very present among North Africans. Compare that to Polish Ashkenazi mtDNA:
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    Basically, this question - why do Ashkenazi Jews plot more European, if it seems like their mtDNA (and definitely, by a long margin, their Y DNA) is less European?

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    Do you have similar circles about Y?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Do you have similar circles about Y?
    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
    That surname bit is very interesting, is there a source?
    What? these are all my contacts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
    Could someone here just explain why people think Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, all the lines that you'd think are European (e.g. H, U) are in roughly the same proportions as the Lebanese, and the K and N1b lines can hardly be seen as obviously European (besides K2c).
    Nesting. All other K1a1b1 lines are European, f/e. Although K1a1b1a is also found in Mizrakhi populations, it could be due to Ashkenazi migrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    What?
    Look above on the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Look above on the pictures.
    You mean similar graphs



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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    You mean similar graphs
    Yea, but for polish (and eventually maroccan/mizrahi) Jews, and this for mt was.
    General aszkenazic results are commonly known. I wonder, if polish Jews would have some specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Of course never is, becasue be cannot according to you.

    E-Y14891 : formed 7200 ybp, TMRCA 1200 ybp

    E-Y6923 : formed 5400 ybp, TMRCA 1150 ybp

    G2b1b-Y12975 (aka FGC32402) : formed 5500 ybp, TMRCA 1200 ybp

    J1-ZS227 (aka Y3081) : formed 5600 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybp (Yfull) / 2270-3540 ybp (Marko T. Heinilä & Iain McDonald)
    - J1-Z18271 (Y-chromosomal Aron) : formed 2750 ybp / 2625 ybp (Iain McDonald)


    J1-L816 : formed 4000 ybp, TMRCA 1150 ybp (Yfull) / 1000-1520 ybp (Iain McDonald & Marko T. Heinilä)

    J1-L823 : formed 1430-1570 ybp (Marko T. Heinilä & Iain McDonald)

    J2-Y15223 : formed 2500 ybp, TMRCA 1200 ybp (Yfull)

    J2-L254 : ?

    J2-L556 : formed 6000 ybp, TMRCA 1150 ybp (Yfull)

    J2-L590 : ?

    Q1b-Y2200 : formed 2600 ybp, TMRCA 1550 ybp (Yfull)

    R1a-Y2619 (aka Y2630) : formed 2800 ybp, TMRCA 1400 ybp (Yfull)

    R1b-FGC20980 (under V88) : formed 3600 ybp, TMRCA 1050 ybp

    R1b-L4 (under U152>Z56) : ?


    All of this, exept one clade of J1, are medieval guys.
    On Jewish Genetics (or something like that) you have even more of this.
    Haplo R1b V88.png

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