Ashkenazi haplogroups

[Böri]

The 3,5% Q y-dna is Khazarian elite contribution.

[Longbowman]

The 3,5% Q y-dna is Khazarian elite contribution.

Q1b? I doubt it.

[Hamlet]

What?



What? these are all my contacts.



Nesting. All other K1a1b1 lines are European, f/e. Although K1a1b1a is also found in Mizrakhi populations, it could be due to Ashkenazi migrations.

Could it not be that these lineages were originally Middle Eastern but moved to Europe later on, I see this as the much more likely scenario, especially in explaining things like red hair among Jews that absolutely cannot be explained by the percentage of Jewish R1b (10%) - AJs have about as much red hair as the Benelux, which is about 60% R1b for crying out loud. Add to that the fact that lots of R1b developed in the Middle East (see below, variance map of R1b (or some subclade like M269, I can't remember)) and you have a good explanation, to my mind - that AJs have a lot of the original R1b tribe's mtDNA, as some of it was left behind by their patriarchal R1b explorers.

[Longbowman]

R1b diffused thousands of years ago, I don't know what the 'R1b tribe' you're referring to is but it didn't exist as a solid concept in human history, maybe in distant prehistory. Jews have a somewhat (like, 3%) high level of red hair because of the Ashkenazi population bottleneck. Haplogroups and physical attributes don't overlap. Even if K were all European, it'd still be Neolithic.

[Bobby Martnen]

Why no I-M253, despite Jews living in Germany for millenia?

[Rethel]

R1b diffused thousands of years ago, I don't know what the 'R1b tribe' you're referring to is but it didn't exist as a solid concept in human history, maybe in distant prehistory.

As a part of R1 tribe, becaseu since the
earliest findings, it is side by side with 1a.

[Longbowman]

Why no I-M253, despite Jews living in Germany for millenia?

Because they didn't mix much or even at all.

Millennia is strong, 3-400 years from Charlemagne to Worms, 4-500 years from the late middle ages to now.

[Bobby Martnen]

Because they didn't mix much or even at all.

Millennia is strong, 3-400 years from Charlemagne to Worms, 4-500 years from the late middle ages to now.

Then where did the R1b come from?

[Rethel]

Then where did the R1b come from?

From R1.

[Bobby Martnen]

From R1.

No how did Jews get it if it's Western European?