Ashkenazi haplogroups

[Rethel]

Genealogocaly from India or genetically?

Shortest age distance from what?

Your subclade from other subclades?

This: K1a1b1a - and every letter in it

[Longbowman]

Genealogocaly from India or genetically?



Your subclade from other subclades?

This: K1a1b1a - and every letter in it

Genealogically. Genetically my maternal line is Mustarabi Jewish.

K1a1b1a - ~4,500ya
K1a1b1 - ~13,000ya
K1a1b - ~16,000ya
K1a1 - ~17,000ya
K1a - ~18,500ya
K1 - ~22,000ya
K (U8b2) - ~27,000ya

[Rethel]

K1a1b1a - ~4,500ya
K1a1b1 - ~13,000ya
K1a1b - ~16,000ya
K1a1 - ~17,000ya
K1a - ~18,500ya
K1 - ~22,000ya
K (U8b2) - ~27,000ya

And they are only among Jews, especially the two yougest subdivisions?

[Rethel]

I read on wikipedia about your clade, and I see, that
my usual opinion of this sphere of genetic is relevant


You are a "relative" of Ötzi

And funny thing is, that not only 10% Europeans is K,
but also 20% of polish Jews is in your particular clade,
which is also common among Gypsies, what suggests
that some Jews converted to... gypsism

[Longbowman]

Maternal clades (n=176)

Macroclade	Clade					Frequency	Percentage
UK						80	45.45%
K						68	38.7%
	K1a					62	35.2%
		K1a1b				43	24.4%
			K1a1b1a			42	23.9%
			K1a1b*			1	0.6%
		K1a9				14	8.0%
		K1a*				6	3.4%
		K1a7'8				1	0.6%
H						42	23.9%
	H1					9	5.1%
		H1*				4	2.3%
		H1e				4	2.3%
		H1o				1	0.6%
	H5					8	4.5%
		H5a				6	3.4%
		H5*				1	0.6%
		H5'36				1	0.6%
	HV					7	4.0%
		HV5				5	2.8%
		HV1b2				2	1.1%
	H11					5	2.8%
		H11*				4	2.3%
		H11a				1	0.6%
	H7					4	2.3%
	H*					3	1.7%
	H6a1					3	1.7%
		H6a1*				2	1.1%
		H6a1b				1	0.6%
	H3					2	1.1%
	H26					1	0.6%
N1b2						15	8.5%
J1						13	7.4%
	J1c					10	5.7%
		J1c1				5	2.8%
		J1c*				4	2.3%
		J1c7a				1	0.6%
	J1b1a					3	1.7%
U						12	6.8%
	U7					4	2.3%
	U3a1					3	1.7%
	U5b1					2	1.1%
		U5b1b1				1	0.6%
		U5b1e				1	0.6%
	U1a3					1	0.6%
	U4a3					1	0.6%
	U6a7					1	0.6%
W						7	4.0%
	W3					6	3.4%
		W3*				3	1.7%
		W3a				3	1.7%
	W1					1	0.6%
R0a						5	2.8%
	R0a2					4	2.3%
	R0a*					1	0.6%
T						4	2.3%
	T1					3	1.7%
		T1a1				2	1.1%
		T1*				1	0.6%
	T2b					1	0.6%
I1						3	1.7%
M33c						2	1.1%
V7						2	1.1%
	V7*					1	0.6%
	V7a					1	0.6%
X2b						1	0.6%

[Longbowman]

And they are only among Jews, especially the two yougest subdivisions?

K1a1b1a is by far most common amongst Ashkenazi Jews, though it also exists in Sephardic and Mizrakhi Jews, like me, and a few non-Jews. The other clades have some representation amongst Jews, especially K1a, but are not unique to Jews or close to it.

[Longbowman]

I read on wikipedia about your clade, and I see, that
my usual opinion of this sphere of genetic is relevant


You are a "relative" of Ötzi

And funny thing is, that not only 10% Europeans is K,
but also 20% of polish Jews is in your particular clade,
which is also common among Gypsies, what suggests
that some Jews converted to... gypsism

Very possible, I suspect K1a1b1a was originally a Jewish clade, so non-Jews with it probably have distant Jewish ancestry. Costa would disagree with me though.

[Rethel]

Maternal clades (n=176)

European goyesses stronk!

Who is costa?

[Longbowman]

European goyesses stronk!

Who is costa?

Someone who produced a very superficial study suggesting most Ashkenazi MTDNA is European - ie, the person who came up with 'European Goyesses stronk.'

[Rethel]

Someone who produced a very superficial study suggesting most Ashkenazi MTDNA is European - ie, the person who came up with 'European Goyesses stronk.'

So you no longer belive in it? You used to...

But they had to in some way absorbed so much whiteness,
that there are so many blondes and redheads, and light
brunets, and that they pass autosomaly into Italy.

White wifes are very good explanation.

Another would have to be - many converts, male converts, or bastards.