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    Which of these arguments do you find most compelling you to non-belief?


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    Which argument for the non-existence of God do you find most (i) persuasive, (ii) easy to understand, (iii) easy to refute?

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    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ents+Existence
    Arguments against religious belief

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    A thread about Faith.

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    If you are an atheist, what argument do you have against the existence of God.

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    The argument from incompatible attributes is based on the description of God given in holy books and theology. Because God is described as having attributes that are incompatible or incoherent, that particular version of God cannot exist. Since there are many attributes that are applied to God, there are many forms of the argument.

    A God cannot treat people with both the severity they deserve (being just) and less severity than they deserve (being merciful).

    Friedrich Nietzsche pointed out:

    "Whoever extolleth him as a God of love, doth not think highly enough of love itself. Did not that God want also to be judge? But the loving one loveth irrespective of reward and requital."

    The problem of Hell points out that infinite punishment of Hell is never appropriate for finite transgressions. Therefore God cannot be just. If god as asserted to be immutable, he cannot be harmed by sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexachordia View Post
    To all atheists: I have only one permanent problem about your theories, that is, I do not trust you.
    The beauty about arguments is that you don't have to trust the person who is making them.
    The arguments stand and fall on their own merits, irrespective of who is making them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexachordia View Post
    Atheists are just trying to do the gods jobs by denying peoples belief.
    So, are you saying it is God's job to deny people belief in him? That sounds to me like God is capricious and irrational.
    Why doesn't God reveal himself to me in such a way that I can be certain that it exists? Is he not powerful enough for that? Then he is not omnipotent. Or does he not care? In which case, he'd be not all-loving. He is therefore either impotent or immoral.
    Lets face a very foundamental reality about humanity, we can never really trust each other, Marx and his cronies have already honed the atheist rhetorics to the highest possible level I do not really see anyone to challenge their legacy, all atheists just fall into the stereotypical Marxism for me. I really do not care for humanity and I do not have the qualification to behavior like a divine being, but at least I will defend to freedom of speech and belief in order to set myself free from unwanted obligation into others businesses.
    Name me a society that has championed the philosophy of Rene Descartes, Immanuel Kant (Christian enlightenment philosophers) and the likes of Spinoza and Einstein (who were at best Deists, especially Einstein) that later degraded into communism and tyranny.
    I don't think you can blame the horrors of communism on atheism. Atheism is simply a lack of belief of a particular God claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    The beauty about arguments is that you don't have to trust the person who is making them.
    The arguments stand and fall on their own merits, irrespective of who is making them.
    Science is the only rightful mean to keep people who can not be trusted in check. Sometimes, an argument becomes unilateral enforcement of values for somebody else interests. Like Karl Marx, he did not allow opposing voices in his argument and people did not take him seriously before Vladimir Lenin took power, and then people realized that the marxists were not mean to argue, just simply pushing his agendas, all his vicious arguments were only allowed to be arguments as long as he was not armed. Karl Marx is huge liar, I do not know the true motive for his phenomenal lies, but it is doubtless that he is a big fat liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    So, are you saying it is God's job to deny people belief in him? That sounds to me like God is capricious and irrational.
    Why doesn't God reveal himself to me in such a way that I can be certain that it exists? Is he not powerful enough for that? Then he is not omnipotent. Or does he not care? In which case, he'd be not all-loving. He is therefore either impotent or immoral.


    Name me a society that has championed the philosophy of Rene Descartes, Immanuel Kant (Christian enlightenment philosophers) and the likes of Spinoza and Einstein (who were at best Deists, especially Einstein) that later degraded into communism and tyranny.
    I don't think you can blame the horrors of communism on atheism. Atheism is simply a lack of belief of a particular God claim.
    To impersonate a god is easy, as long as one can kill people at will without consequence that person will develop megalomaniac delusions strong enough to feel himself to be a god. I was speaking about peoples delusional perception of god not the true God. I know it because I can imagine it from my own feelings, sometimes I feel like a great person by fighting against authority, but reason is strong enough in me to reset my mind to the normal state.

    Rene Descarte was not an atheist, he is just a rationalist and a mathematician. I do treat atheism as a secularism, but this thread is trying to disprove or ridicule the ideas of faith. Though I can not claim myself to be faithful, I am that kind of atheist you describe besides my abomination against Marxism. I would my best to defend peoples freedom in belief because this is probably the only way to fulfill my religious duty as I feel. I worship anything but human-centrism.
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