Sicilians-Lebanese genetically closer than Turks-Greeks. Check the GEDmatch calculators.

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians are true MENA , closer to middle east than Europe.

I am impressed

After Central Italy, Greece, and Albania, they are in fact closer to MENAs genetically.

[DarknessWin]

After Central Italy, Greece, and Albania, they are in fact closer to MENAs genetically.

Its the phoenician colonies to Sicily

[Sikeliot]

Its the phoenician colonies to Sicily

I assumed it is lower Indo-European input plus the migration of Hellenized Syrians, Anatolians, and Armenians to Sicily when it was Byzantine ruled.

[Myanthropologies]

What's your point though?

[Myanthropologies]

After Central Italy, Greece, and Albania, they are in fact closer to MENAs genetically.

If you're genetically closer to Albanians than to Middle Easterners then you're not Middle Eastern. Sicilians are not Middle Eastern, but Ashkenazi Jews can say they are because unlike every other ethnicity in Europe, they have only been there for 2500 years, and they share tangible semitic roots with Middle Easterners that IBD tests expose. They also still cluster a bit more southern than the average Sicilian, they cluster with the lower half atypical Sicilians.

The Maltese could probably say they're Middle Easterners if they really wanted to, but Sicilians cannot.

[Sikeliot]

They also still cluster a bit more southern than the average Sicilian, they cluster with the lower half atypical Sicilians.

I am not seeing this on most PCA plots. They usually are exactly overlapping. Sicilians and Ashkenazim form a cluster of their own whereas Greeks, Albanians, and other Italians (apart from far southerners) are in their own.

I do not consider any of these groups Middle Eastern.

[Argentano]

First 3 matches after removing sicilian and jews (because a jew can be anything)

Sicilians:

Messina:

# Population (source) Distance
4 Italian_South 8.66
5 Cypriot 8.69
6 Greek 11.61

Messina:

# Population (source) Distance
4 Cypriot 8.91
5 Italian_South 9.18
6 Greek 10.52




Catania:

# Population (source) Distance
3 Italian_South 8.23
4 Greek 8.56
6 Cypriot 10.51



# Population (source) Distance
4 Italian_South 9.46
5 Cypriot 9.58
6 Greek 10.36


Palermo:

# Population (source) Distance
4 Greek 9.64
5 Italian_South 9.86
6 Cypriot 11.63



# Population (source) Distance
4 Cypriot 9.85
7 Italian_South 12.17
8 Greek 12.59


# Population (source) Distance
4 Greek 9.05
5 Italian_South 9.28
6 Albanian 11.53



Caltanissetta:

# Population (source) Distance
4 Cypriot 8.52
6 Italian_South 10.71
8 Greek 11.95


Trapani:

# Population (source) Distance
4 Greek 9.4
5 Italian_South 10.2
6 Albanian 11.85

As far as i know this are all european matches. Whats the big deal?

[Myanthropologies]

I am not seeing this on most PCA plots. They usually are exactly overlapping. Sicilians and Ashkenazim form a cluster of their own whereas Greeks, Albanians, and other Italians (apart from far southerners) are in their own.

I do not consider any of these groups Middle Eastern.

I don't necessarily consider Ashkenazi Middle Eastern, but I don't consider them European. They are very different from Europeans. Name me a group of indigenous Europeans that have only been in Europe for 2500 years, or one that came from the Middle East so recently. Ashkenazis have close genetic relations to the Middle East in the way that no other European group has. Maybe we can consider them "white," but definitely not Europeans.

On those oracles you posted where Sicilians were getting Arabs and Bedouins, a shitload of them came up as Ashkenazi Jewish first and before Sicilian, so it means Askhenazis don't firmly cluster with the average Sicilian, but they cluster with the southernmost shifted ones.

I just don't understand the point of this thread.

[Sikeliot]

As far as i know this are all european matches. Whats the big deal?

Cypriots aren't. Anyway it is not a big deal.

[The Blade]

Not surprised at all. It's evident and logical. I have said this before, too.
Also, there are more Turks (than Sicilians) who pass as Bulgarian.