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    Which of these arguments listed so far, do you find compelling still.
    If there is, please quote my comment, and tell me why you still don't support same sex marriage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    where do you quote from, a gay website?
    lol. This is from wiki.ironchriots.org
    It is a counter-apologetics wiki.It deals with religion.
    It is like an encyclopedia of arguments having to do with religion.

    But what different does it make where it comes from,
    if the argument is sound it's sound,
    the arguments stand on their own.
    I don't want you to accept anything on faith,
    that is, without understanding.
    I like to teach people (including myself) how to argue and counter-argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    Which of these arguments listed so far, do you find compelling still.
    If there is, please quote my comment, and tell me why you still don't support same sex marriage.
    in ideal case homosexuality would be outlawed like incest is outlawed
    Ich rap fr meinen Bruder denn Ich knnte auch das Opfer sein. Falscher Ort, falsche Zeit, da hilft dir auch nicht tapfer sein.
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    You look the same to me. Just retired from your former dirty Mexican business
    Egyptian+Wadaad=sharia law gone sexy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    lol. This is wiki.ironchriots.org
    It is a counter-apologetics wiki.It deals with religion.
    It is like an encyclopedia of arguments having to do with religion.
    It seems supportive of gay marriage and anti-religion.
    Ich rap fr meinen Bruder denn Ich knnte auch das Opfer sein. Falscher Ort, falsche Zeit, da hilft dir auch nicht tapfer sein.
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    Violates freedom of conscience

    "In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality."

    Freedom to persecute others is not a generally recognised freedom. Freedom of conscience is not absolute: for instance, it does not extend to owning slaves. Society and governments can limit what is acceptable behaviour and it does not need to defer to freedom of conscience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    in ideal case homosexuality would be outlawed like incest is outlawed
    I asked people to do a simple task in that comment you quote here: quote the argument and tell me why you believe it.
    Which argument against same sex marriage (that I have listed on page 1) do you still find compelling after reading the counter-apologetics on it. Why do you still find the particular argument that you quoted to be sound?

    Address an argument or get out of my thread, you bigot.
    Last edited by Petros Agapetos; 12-03-2016 at 08:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    It seems supportive of gay marriage and anti-religion.
    It seems in support of common sense, reason, logic, and evidence.
    It is an encyclopedia which teaches people how to be decent rational actors on the theater of our lives.

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    It offends God

    Apologists argue against same sex marriages because it supposedly offends God.

    This assumes God exists, God has a morality in mind, humans could know what God has in mind and humans should obey God. None of this has been established reliably.

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    Pushes people away from religion

    Acceptance of gay marriage has been blamed for the decline of religion in the US. However, while this might explain people changing denominations, it does not explain why people leave religions altogether.

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    Argument from Semantics: "Calling something marriage does not make it marriage."

    "marriage is between one man and one woman and once you redefine that you lose the essence of marriage itself."

    The meaning of words has changed over time.
    If a word is used in a particular way or context, that is the meaning of the word.
    As Wittgenstein argued, "meaning is use".
    Calling something marriage does, in a sense,
    make it marriage as long as we have a shared understanding of the usage.
    You don't necessarily need to agree with the usage to understand it.

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