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    Quote Originally Posted by Aëlwenn View Post
    He has never been a Frenchman. William the conqueror, Duke of Normandy and King of England.
    Nothing French about him.
    Been French is just a generic term, French and France term regroup diverse ethnicity like Norman, Breton, Alsatian, Picards etc etc.
    You talking like if the Kingdom of France has always been the actual France.
    France is a diverse country about ethnicity ( I don't talking about non white ) because it's a country founded by many another kingdoms and lands. The true original Kingdom of Franks is far away smaller.
    And it's the French republican propaganda who want to deformed the reality about Vikings settlers.
    It's not controversial sites or neo paganist, it's true historian and archeologist.
    The way you use term of Frenchman for William the Conqueror is very silly.
    First you don't know very well the real history, and second you use exactly the worst republican propaganda.
    Once again, read primary textual sources! Not just pro-normanist modern speculations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomas View Post
    Once again, read primary textual sources! Not just pro-normanist modern speculations!
    You can't be anything else than a troll...


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    https://translate.googleusercontent....YqwgVP4yJGj5RQ

    (...) Results? Of the 89 men who participated in the study, the vast majority (52) represented haplogroup R1b, the most common type of Y chromosome variation in Northern and Western Europe. Its origin, still unclear, is to be sought from the shepherds of the steppes north of the Black Sea who immigrated to the West 4000 years ago. It can not therefore be a typically Viking signature. But without excluding it completely either: according to experts, this genetic variation could mean an indirect link with Vikings.

    On the other hand, haplogroup I1, found in 11 of the Normans of the study, more clearly suggests a possible Viking ancestry (more direct this time). These variations are very present in Scandinavians (more than 45% of the population belongs to this genetic group in certain regions). But a Germanic origin is also possible. In fact, " when we look at the underlying" footprints "of haplogroup I1, some Norman Y chromosomes show an affinity with the Germanic, while others reveal an affinity with the Scandinavians, " says Richard Jones. However, it is very tempting to consider I1 as a mark left by the Vikings in Normandy, as it is present in approximately the same proportions as those observed in other populations with a known Viking history , " adds the searcher. Finally, two participants presented a haplogroup often considered as typically Nordic: R1a. The other haplogroups found in the Normans are a priori unconnected with the Vikings. (...)
    Indeed. Most of R1b is not even Germanic, and I1 could be either Viking or other Germanic. I1 could be from the Franks or any other Germanic group, it doesn't have to be a Viking marker. The resolution of this research is simply too low to say anything definite about the % of Viking lineages.

    There was a lot of I1 among Non-Viking, Iron Age ancient Germanic groups:

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4498708

    East Germanic samples, Iron Age Poland - 50% frequency of I1.

    Görzig in Saxony-Anhalt, in 300-500 AD - 58% frequency of I1.
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    Great, informative thread.

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    G1 were the real vikings.

    I and R were only sub-lings of the original G.

    The fact they are so rare today is proof enough to this organism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
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    Indeed. Most of R1b is not even Germanic, and I1 could be either Viking or other Germanic. I1 could be from the Franks or any other Germanic group, it doesn't have to be a Viking marker. The resolution of this research is simply too low to say anything definite about the % of Viking lineages.

    There was a lot of I1 among Non-Viking, Iron Age ancient Germanic groups:

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4498708

    East Germanic samples, Iron Age Poland - 50% frequency of I1.

    Görzig in Saxony-Anhalt, in 300-500 AD - 58% frequency of I1.
    There's no mention of subclades which would be more useful. It's all about the subclades, haplotards.


    P109 is a Scandinavian subclade of I1 and it is found in Normandy and it obviously derives from Vikings.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    There's no mention of subclades which would be more useful. It's all about the subclades, haplotards.


    P109 is a Scandinavian subclade of I1 and it is found in Normandy and it obviously derives from Vikings.


    Haplogroup R and I served cleaning chamber pots and brushing down horses for their O.G. lords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingorex View Post
    Haplogroup R and I served cleaning chamber pots and brushing down horses for their O.G. lords.
    I love you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    P109 is a Scandinavian subclade of I1 and it is found in Normandy and it obviously derives from Vikings.
    What if continental Germans were from Scandinavia?
    We have many such examples, like Rugians, Heruls, Longobards aso...
    Franks were a mix of many germanic older tribes, some could be from Scandia as well.
    Without testing a clear vikings, you cannot say, who is who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    What if continental Germans were from Scandinavia?
    We have many such examples, like Rugians, Heruls, Longobards aso...
    Franks were a mix of many germanic older tribes, some could be from Scandia as well.
    Without testing a clear vikings, you cannot say, who is who.
    Of course the Vikings weren't uniform. There's haplogroup Q on Orkney, faerose islands for example that belong to Scandinavian branch of Q. The only plausible reasoning was that it was brought by them to the islands.

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