R1b-M343 Negroid origin , Genghis Khan, Mongoloid origin ? R1b spread by rape during Mongol empire

[Proto-Shaman]

It is enaugh to admit their IEness.

problem:

1. agglutination
2. Turkic ethnonyms and toponyms
3. Türk comes from Old Turkic "Türük" (Tür + ük suffix). uncle google will help you
4. Fennic and Samoyedic peoples speak Uralic not IE.

[Rethel]

problem:

1. agglutination
2. Turkic ethnonyms and toponyms
3. Türk comes from Old Turkic "Türük" (Tür + ük suffix). uncle google will help you
4. Fennic and Samoyedic peoples speak Uralic not IE.

You don;t know what they spoke.

Turkic speaking people (which were not clled turkic at all) at that
time were probably somewhere in Primorie or Inner Mongolia.

[Proto-Shaman]

You don;t know what they spoke.

Turkic speaking people (which were not clled turkic at all) at that
time were probably somewhere in Primorie or Inner Mongolia.

only in your wet IE daydreams. we actually know what kind of grammar they had. uncle google will help you

[Rethel]

only in your wet IE daydreams. we actually know what kind of grammar they had. uncle google will help you

From Bronze Age Iran...

[Proto-Shaman]

From Bronze Age Iran...

Irak + Anatolia + Iranian plateau to be exact... YEP.

[Proto-Shaman]

" Meanwhile, Y-SNP and Y-STR profiles indicate that the males examined belonged to the R1b-M343 haplogroup. Thus, their East Asian D4 or CZ matrilineal and West Eurasian R1b-M343 patrilineal origins reveal genealogical admixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid ethnic groups, despite a Mongoloid physical appearance. "

6 months ago, I have posted a Bashkir guy who looked 100% Europid with typical Euro-Turanid tendencies, but he had haplogroup C3. You see, haplogroups do not correlate with physical appearance.

[Brutus]

R1b-V88 emerged in Europe and migrated to Africa from Europe. We have a Paleolithic sample of R1b-L754 (ancestral to V88) and a Neolithic sample of actual V88 - both from Europe (Villabruna & Els Trocs):

http://i.imgur.com/5aykXsv.png

V88 came with the neolithic wave from the Fertile crescent during the agricultural revolution ....

[Kelmendasi]

V88 came with the neolithic wave from the Fertile crescent during the agricultural revolution ....

V88 was present in Europe before the Neolithic. It was found in Paleolithic Italy(Villabruna), Mesolithic Serbia/Romania(Iron gate cultures) and Mesolithic Ukraine. Though it is likely that V88 did come into Europe early on from west Asia.

[Brutus]

V88 was present in Europe before the Neolithic. It was found in Paleolithic Italy(Villabruna), Mesolithic Serbia/Romania(Iron gate cultures) and Mesolithic Ukraine. Though it is likely that V88 did come into Europe early on from west Asia.

Actually I was referring to the V88 of Africa (but you're right) in which these guys R-V88 people came with the migrants from Levant bringing crops and domesticated livestock. Although it was not as big or major as the agricultural revolution at Europe and the fact that the ones who went to Europe have covered the entire European continent and not only a single region (like in Chad's and Northern Cameroon case).

[Kelmendasi]

Actually I was referring to the V88 of Africa (but you're right) in which these guys R-V88 people came with the migrants from Levant bringing crops and domesticated livestock. Although it was not as big or major as the agricultural revolution at Europe and the fact that the ones who went to Europe have covered the entire European continent and not only a single region (like in Chad's and Northern Cameroon case).

Oh I see, in that case you are probably correct. Though I have seen some people suggest that maybe V88 in Africa came from Europe during the Paleolithic. Personally, I believe that a Middle eastern origin is more probable.