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    How moral are atheists?

    There are good people and bad people among atheists as there are good and bad people in all communities.

    Christian stereotyping

    If there is no god you have no morals.
    A man without God is totally depraved.

    The quotes above are from a video of 2 Christians, they are likely to impress more gullible believers.
    See Christian Bullshit :- Atheists are Satanic.

    Unfortunately Christian stereotyping sometimes influences impressionable atheists and they assume that because they are atheists they can’t be moral or can’t be very moral. Youngsters whose characters have not fully developed yet are most vulnerable to negative stereotyping of this type. Liberal Christians rarely do this but Christian fundamentalists stereotype atheists more often. See How stereotyping atheists as immoral can do harm

    One particularly nasty technique that Christian evangelists sometimes use is deliberately provoking atheists or perhaps others they want to convert into doing something wrong/many wrong things. Then they say something like, "There! See how bad you are! You need Jesus!" If conversion attempts are successful probably the wrong things the person did/was provoked into doing before conversion will be regularly used to make that person feel guilty and inferior so the leaders of the group can keep the sinner under control.

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    Richard Dawkins' Version of the Ten Commandments

    The alternative to the Ten Commandments cited by Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion is:

    1. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you. (See Golden Rule.)

    2. In all things, strive to cause no harm.

    3. Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.

    4. Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.

    5. Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.

    6. Always seek to be learning something new.

    7. Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.

    8. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.

    9. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.

    10. Question everything.

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    Christopher Hitchens on the Ten Commandments:

    1. Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or their color.
    2. Do not ever even think of using people as private property.
    3. Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
    4. Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
    5. Do not condemn people for their inborn nature. (“Why would God create so many homosexuals, only to torture and destroy them?”)
    6. Be aware that you, too, are an animal, and dependent on the web of nature. Try to think and act accordingly.
    7. Do not imagine you can avoid judgment if you rob people [by lying to them] rather than with a knife.
    8. Turn off that fucking cell phone.
    9. Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repression.
    10. Reject any faith if their commandments contradict any of the above.

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    A. C. Grayling - The Good Book, compiled by A. C. Grayling, features ten commandments in The Good Book 8:11:

    1. Love well
    2. Seek the good in all things
    3. Harm no others
    4. Think for yourself
    5. Take responsibility
    6. Respect nature
    7. Do your utmost
    8. Be informed
    9. Be kind
    10. Be courageous

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    Socialist Sunday Schools propagated a socialist set of ten commandments.

    1. Love your schoolfellows, who will be your fellow workmen in life.

    2. Love learning, which is the food of the mind; be as grateful to your teacher as to your parents.

    3. Make every day holy by good and useful deeds and kindly actions.

    4. Honour good men, be courteous to all men, bow down to none.

    5. Do not hate or speak evil of anyone. Do not be revengeful but stand up for your right and resist oppression.

    6. Do not be cowardly. Be a friend to the weak and love justice.

    7. Remember that all good things of the earth are produced by labour. Whoever enjoys them without working for them is stealing the bread of the workers. (That should not include disabled people who can't work.)

    8. Observe and think in order to discover the truth. Do not believe what is contrary to reason and never deceive yourself or others.

    9. Do not think that he who loves his own country must hate and despise other nations, or wish for war, which is a remnant of barbarism.

    10. Look forward to the day when all men and women will be free citizens of one fatherland and live together as brothers and sisters in peace and righteousness.

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    Athenian reformer and lawgiver Solon (~638 BCE - ~558 BCE) had another set (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 1.60):

    1. Trust good character more than promises.
    2. Do not speak falsely.
    3. Do good things.
    4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
    5. Learn to obey before you command.
    6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
    7. Make reason your supreme commander.
    8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
    9. Honor the gods.
    10. Have regard for your parents.

    The ninth one is about fictional entities, but the others are good.

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    Kochhar Humanist Education Center
    Its Ten Commitments:

    Altruism
    Caring for the World Around Us
    Critical Thinking
    Empathy
    Ethical Development
    Global Awareness
    Humility
    Peace and Social Justice
    Responsibility
    Service and Participation

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    The fundamentals of modern Humanism are as follows:

    1. Humanism is ethical. It affirms the worth, dignity and autonomy of the individual and the right of every human being to the greatest possible freedom compatible with the rights of others. Humanists have a duty of care to all of humanity including future generations. Humanists believe that morality is an intrinsic part of human nature based on understanding and a concern for others, needing no external sanction.

    2. Humanism is rational. It seeks to use science creatively, not destructively. Humanists believe that the solutions to the world’s problems lie in human thought and action rather than divine intervention. Humanism advocates the application of the methods of science and free inquiry to the problems of human welfare. But Humanists also believe that the application of science and technology must be tempered by human values. Science gives us the means but human values must propose the ends.

    3. Humanism supports democracy and human rights. Humanism aims at the fullest possible development of every human being. It holds that democracy and human development are matters of right. The principles of democracy and human rights can be applied to many human relationships and are not restricted to methods of government.

    4. Humanism insists that personal liberty must be combined with social responsibility. Humanism ventures to build a world on the idea of the free person responsible to society, and recognises our dependence on and responsibility for the natural world. Humanism is undogmatic, imposing no creed upon its adherents. It is thus committed to education free from indoctrination.

    5. Humanism is a response to the widespread demand for an alternative to dogmatic religion. The world’s major religions claim to be based on revelations fixed for all time, and many seek to impose their world-views on all of humanity. Humanism recognises that reliable knowledge of the world and ourselves arises through a continuing process of observation, evaluation and revision.

    6. Humanism values artistic creativity and imagination and recognises the transforming power of art. Humanism affirms the importance of literature, music, and the visual and performing arts for personal development and fulfilment.

    7. Humanism is a lifestance aiming at the maximum possible fulfillment through the cultivation of ethical and creative living and offers an ethical and rational means of addressing the challenges of our times. Humanism can be a way of life for everyone everywhere.

    Our primary task is to make human beings aware in the simplest terms of what Humanism can mean to them and what it commits them to. By utilising free inquiry, the power of science and creative imagination for the furtherance of peace and in the service of compassion, we have confidence that we have the means to solve the problems that confront us all. We call upon all who share this conviction to associate themselves with us in this endeavour.

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    Members, do you consider yourself humanist? If not, why?

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