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    https://apholt.com/2015/01/06/mediev...r-the-present/


    this is a blog of an historian ^^^

    My paper was titled “Rape and the First Crusade.” It considers the oddity of the First Crusade as it related to the issue. While the wartime rape of captured women (and sometimes men) was common by all medieval armies, Christian or Islamic, the participants of the First Crusade generally seem to have avoided the practice. Indeed, the sources, whether friendly or hostile to the crusaders, seem to agree on the issue.

    ome popular news commentators have, unsurprisingly, referred to the actions of the Islamic State and Boko Haram as “medieval.” Certainly, modern medieval historians often roll their eyes at the use of the term. We all know that a lot of modern popular writers and commentators use the term indiscriminately and (often enough), improperly.

    Yet in this case, the claim that the seizure of enemy women in combat for sexual purposes was rather typical of the Middle Ages is, essentially, correct. As many scholars have long argued, this was indeed a common practice among medieval armies, both Christian and Islamic.

    On the Islamic side, for example, perhaps the best known text revealing this reality for captured Christian women during the crusading era is found in Imad ad Din’s account of the aftermath of Saladin’s conquest of Jerusalem. Although undoubtedly engaging in some degree of hyperbole, Imad ad Din highlighted the triumph of Muslim warriors who, in his words, “deflowered,” “tamed,” and “stripped of their modesty” thousands of Christian women. Why was this an important topic for Imad ad Din to so gleefully highlight in the wake of the conquest? Because the mistreatment of the enemies’ women in such a way suggested both the totality of the conquest and the humiliation of their enemies.

    Although typically condemned by clerical authorities, medieval Christian warriors (not the crusaders) also often engaged in rape.
    Although medieval clerical writers often condemned rape, as an extension of their general concerns about non-marital sexual relations, it remained a major concern as late as the Hundred Years War, when wartime rape was prohibited as a crime punishable by death.

    The circumstances of the First Crusade (specifically, and not necessarily later crusades) provide some interesting insights into this clash of clerical expectations and military custom. It was then that, at least in theory, that clerical authorities had the opportunity to establish new rules for warfare due to their spiritual oversight of the expedition. Indeed, it was the Pope who called for the crusade and put it under the oversight of the Church, requiring participants to take pilgrimage vows (later known as crusading vows) demanding the monk like virtues of chastity and humility for the duration of the crusade.

    The thinking behind requiring such vows, at least as espoused by clerical writers of the time, was that since this was a type of holy war, the warriors needed to be holy. The success of holy wars did not depend on the prowess of the fighters, but rather the good will of God, who enabled victory for those who were faithful to him. If such warriors claiming to represent God sinned during the course of the crusade, then they no longer represented him, and thus lost his favor and would surely lose on the battlefield as well (e.g. example of the events at Antioch).

    Obviously, the vow of chastity prohibited, in theory at least, the customary practice of raping captured women during the course of the crusade. Unchastity in any context, customary or not, was forbidden. This is not to suggest that knights and others who participated in the crusade were always chaste. Clerical sources are full of complaints by clergymen over crusaders cavorting with washer-women, prostitutes, etc… But what about the specific issue of rape?

    A number of books published since the 1970s claim that the participants of the First Crusade regularly engaged in rape. An oft-mentioned line I came across was that the knights and pilgrims who participated in the First Crusade all “took time off “for the rape of Muslim women as they made their way on their crusade. On further inspection, it turns out that nearly all of these secondary source claims can be traced back to one book- Susan Brownmiller’s now classic and once bestselling work, Against our Will: Men, Women, and Rape, published in 1975. So I checked the reference in Brownmiller’s book and, disappointingly, she did not provide a footnote for this information.

    Moreover, and in contrast, a few crusades historians have highlighted that the clerical Latin sources of the First Crusade do not claim the crusaders raped captive women.

    Was this a case of the crusaders’ religious beliefs having a mitigating effect on one of the most brutal crimes associated with warfare, ancient, medieval, or modern? If so, based on current events, then this is certainly a topic worthy of study. From what I have seen most historians have only given this topic a few lines or paragraphs here and there, without a focused study on crusader attitudes toward rape.

    First, let me begin by considering how some, specifically, crusades specialists have dealt with the issue of the crusaders possibly committing rape. Concerning the sources, Yvonne Friedman in her essay, Captivity and Ransom: The Experience of Women, very briefly addresses this topic and correctly notes that no Christian chronicler of the First Crusade would boast of the rape of women as Imad ad Din (mentioned earlier) did (pgs 127-128). To the contrary, she highlights the well known reference to Fulk (Fulcher) of Chartre, where after the successful battle of Antioch, he boasts not of how the crusaders raped captured women, but instead of how they did not rape captured women. Specifically, he notes how the crusaders did the captive Muslim women “no evil” and instead only drove lances into their bellies.

    Fulk’s claims are in keeping with clerical concerns about almost all forms of sexuality at the time, with rape being no exception. The First Crusade, called in the immediate wake of the Gregorian Reform by the former cluniac monk Pope Urban II was a product of its time. Just as the reforming monks sought to impose monastic virtues on priests during the Gregorian Reform, during the First Crusade they attempted to do the same with lay participants through the imposition of pilgrimage vows of humility and chastity. This was also a period when canonists like Ivo and Gratian were starting to address the topic of rape as a major sin, with major penalties. In keeping with such views, the later twelfth-century historian William of Tyre claimed clerical leaders imposed specific prohibitions on the crusaders that included drinking, swearing, and sexual immorality to include rape.

    Such attempted prohibitions are a bit stunning from the perspective of a gender historian like myself, as such behaviors (bawdy behavior, boasting, sexual prowess, etc…) were often essential to how knights defined themselves as men in the competitive world of the eleventh and twelfth century nobility. Nevertheless, the clerical authorities of the First Crusade required knights to abandon all of these traditional markers of knightly masculinity if they were to participate in the crusade. It is possible that such restrictions may have contributed to the reason that only 1% to 2% of Europe’s knights participated in the crusade.

    But of course clerical accounts like Fulk’s should not be accepted uncritically. As a member of the clergy he may have had an interest in portraying the crusaders as obedient to clerical authority. Also, the fact that he emphasized how the crusaders did not rape the captured Muslim women of Antioch may reflect his concern over either the fact that some crusaders had committed the act previously or that rumors existed they were engaging in such behavior. Moreover, some secondary works written by scholars (although not necessarily crusades specialists) will claim that at least some of the earliest participants of the First Crusade did engage in the rape of Muslim women. All of these secondary works ultimately point to the Chanson d’Antioche as their source, which specifically claims that an exceptionally violent group of crusade participants known as the Tafurs raped Muslim women after the conquest of Antioch.

    The problem with these claims is that much of it is speculative. Fulk “may” have emphasized that good crusaders at Antioch did not rape out of concern that other crusaders had engaged in such practices earlier, but this is not certain. Similarly, he “might” have been emphasizing the unwillingness of crusaders to rape Muslim women to combat rumors the Tafurs had been raping women. But again, “may” and “might” are not certain. Moreover, the claim that the Tafurs raped Muslim women at Antioch is based on a very weak source- The Chanson d’Antioche was written nearly a century later not as a serious historical source, but for the literary purpose of entertaining knights. Consequently, its reliability as a source is much disputed. It includes the incredible claim, for example, that Christian women formed a battalion of warriors during the Battle for Antioch and engaged their Muslim opponents, which is not repeated in any other source. This troublesome source, written nearly a century later, seems to be the only source that claims that participants of the First Crusade raped captive women and is in direct opposition to contemporary sources that claim otherwise.

    What about Muslim sources for the First Crusade? They said many negative things about the crusaders, describing them as everything from polytheists to barbarians. Rarely do they miss an opportunity to highlight the primitive and violent nature of the crusaders. The more substantive sources are from decades later, written around 1160 or later. Yet according to the Islamic history scholar Carole Hillenbrand, in some cases, later accounts may be based on earlier surviving contemporary sources such as Islamic poetry.

    So what do these sources say about the first crusaders committing rape against Muslim women?

    Nothing, really.

    There is only one source that, perhaps, hints at it. In this case, the poet Ibn al-Khayyat at one point, writing of the fear that Muslim girls and women had at the coming of the crusaders, might be addressing the issue. But that is it- just an ambiguous reference to the fear of Muslim women on the approach of the crusaders. No specific claim that they feared sexual assault. So far as I am aware, and I continue to study this issue, there is no actual claim that the crusaders committed such actions. To the contrary, early Arab sources are surprisingly quiet on the issue of rape when they otherwise take every opportunity to highlight the violence and transgressions of the first crusaders. Now this could be because Arab writers did not want to highlight the subjugation of their women to the crusaders, which would be a source of shame to Muslim men. In this case they would not want to include such references as the dominance of enemy women was seen as a clear sign of conquest. Yet, whatever the reason, there is nothing in Islamic sources for the First Crusade that supports the idea that crusaders raped captive women.

    But there are still third party accounts that we can consult- the Hebrew accounts of Jewish victims of the First Crusaders. Although Crusades historians have debated the degree (or the numbers) to which Jews suffered during the First Crusade, there is no debate that they suffered….and quite a bit too. Thus, it is not surprising that they would have a say in all of this through their surviving sources.

    Thanks to the work of S.D. [Shelomo Dov] Goitein in the Cairo Geniza, the discovery of a few letters, two discovered in 1952 and one in 1975, have given us some insights into the crusaders’ actions during the massacre that took place after their conquest of Jerusalem. The letters reflect the awareness of the elders of Ascalon of the predicament of the Jerusalem Jews, who they had been in correspondence with in the immediate wake of the conquest. The most telling point of the letters, for our purpose here, is the claim by an elder of Ascalon reporting to other Jews on the situation in Jerusalem, who at one point notes, “We have not heard, thank God, the exalted, that the cursed ones known as Ashkenaz, violated or raped women as others do.” Let me highlight how the writer makes it a point to include this in his note, which suggests how unusual it was for the time, as the “cursed” crusaders do not act on this issue in the same way “as others do.”

    So again, to recap, we have both friendly Christian AND hostile Jewish sources from the First Crusade that, nevertheless, explicitly deny crusaders raped women in cases where, according to the typically accepted customs of medieval siege warfare, they normally would. I should also note that we also have the silence of specifically lay Christian sources on the issue, as the Gesta Francorum (written by a knight) or surviving letters from other knights on the crusade never mention the occurrence of rape. Similarly, Muslim sources on the First Crusade are silent as well when they would seemingly otherwise never fail to highlight the barbarity of the crusaders.

    So then, why are so many modern secondary sources continuing to claim the first crusaders were raping women?

    As best I can tell, generally negative modern assumptions about the crusaders, when coupled with the very real and extraordinary violence of the crusaders, as well as our knowledge of customary rules of medieval warfare in a non-crusading context, perhaps make it easy for many authors to accept the claim that the crusaders were rapists. But the sources do not actually provide evidence for that conclusion and instead seem to say the opposite.
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    Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, Saladin's chronicler, goes into lengthy and bizarre descriptions of the Frankish women taken captive from Jerusalem. I half-expected him to begin with "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me..."

    Women and children together totalled 8,000, and were quickly divided up amongst us, bringing smiles to Muslim faces at their lamentations. How many well-guarded women were profaned, how many queens were ruled, and nubile girls married, and noble women given away, and miserly women forced to give themselves, and women who'd been kept hidden stripped of their modesty, and proud women made ridiculous... precious women used for hard work, and pretty things put to the test, and virgins dishonored and proud women deflowered... untamed ones tamed, and happy ones made to weep!

    christians should really have put more effort in eradicating such vile animals.

    (not meaning the moderate civilized muslims but the creepy disgusting ones, obviously)
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    Christians still fighting with their past I see



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    Dont be stuck with 1000 years ago. Its retarded. Any ways here are my 2 favourite battles of crusades series.

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    Battle of Harran

    The Battle of Harran took place on May 7, 1104 between the Crusader states of the Principality of Antioch and the County of Edessa, and the Seljuk Turks. It was the first major battle against the newfound Crusader states in the aftermath of the First Crusade marking a key turning point against Frankish expansion.
    The battle had a disastrous effect on the Principality of Antioch as the Turks regained territory earlier lost.




    The Seljuks feigned retreat in the preliminary skirmishes while the Crusaders continued their pursuit south. The contemporary chronicler Matthew of Edessa reports a pursuit of two days while Ralph of Caen reports three days.

    Baldwin and Joscelin commanded the Edessan left wing while Bohemond and Tancred commanded the Antiochene right. Ralph of Caen says that the crusaders were caught unawares when the Seljuks turned to fight, so much so that Baldwin and Bohemond fought without armor.

    During the battle itself, Baldwin's troops were completely routed, with Baldwin and Joscelin captured by the Turks. The Antiochene troops along with Bohemond were able to escape to Edessa. However, Jikirmish had only taken a small amount of booty, so he purloined Baldwin from Sokman's camp. Although a ransom was paid, Joscelin and Baldwin were not released until sometime before 1108, and 1108 respectively.

    The battle was one of the first decisive Crusader defeats with severe consequences to the Principality of Antioch. The Byzantine Empire took advantage of the defeat to impose their claims on Antioch, and recaptured Latakia and parts of Cilicia. Many of the towns ruled by Antioch revolted and were re-occupied by Muslim forces from Aleppo.

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    Battle of Ager Sanguinis 1119

    Ager Sanguinis means 'Field of the Blood, in medieval Latin language. It is a battle which occured between the Crusader state of Antioch Principality and the Artukids Turks of Aleppo on 28th June 1119.

    Political situation:

    Principality of Jerusalem, County of Tripoli, Principality of Antioch, County of Tripoli were the four crusader Latin Frankish states created by crusading Western knights after Jerusalem capture in 1099. Nearby was the Kingdom of Lesser Armenia, which was sometimes allied with the Crusaders, but more often tried to ignore them.

    North, in Anatolia there was the Seljuks of Rum and West, across Syria there were city states led by Turkic families who were independent in reality but they were ruling lands officially on name of Seljuk dynasty. Ilgazi Bey, son of Artuk Bey a Turkmen governor of Jerusalem appointed by Great Seljuk took control of Aleppo in 1117. After Prince Roger of Antioch conquered Azaz nearby Aleppo the violence escalated between Artukid Aleppo and Roger's Antioch which caused a decisive battle in 1119 betwee Ilgazi Bey and Prince Roger.

    Battle site location



    Antiochene Crusaders Forces:
    Roger of Salerno's army was small by any standards. According to several chroniclers, the Antiochene force contained 700 knights and sergeants (mounted men at arms), 4000 foot soldiers and about 500 Turcopoles. These last were mounted light cavalry – based on the Turkish light horse – who were employed by the Byzantine Empire and the crusader states. Many were probably recruited from Christianized Seljuk Turks

    Seljuk Turks Forces:
    İlgazi's army was mostly mounted, probably some heavy cavalry but mostly Turkish light horse archers. There were likely some foot bowmen, and perhaps a bodyguard unit of heavily-armed foot soldiers. The histories of the battle do not give any figures for the size of İlgazi's force. We can probably speculate that the Turkish force was at least equal to, if not slightly larger, than the Antiochene force.



    Moving forward, ambushing the small Frankish force sent to relieve Athareb, İlgazi left a token force to blockade the castle, and marched with the remainder to confront the Antiochene army. The Muslims arrived at the Crusader campsite after sundown on June 27 and, using little-known footpaths in the steep hills, surrounded the Frankish camp without being detected. During the night, a sleepwalker ran through the Crusader camp, shouting that disaster was upon them. On the morning of June 28, scouts brought word to Roger that the camp was surrounded.

    The battle was begun by an archery duel between the Antiochene infantry, posted in front of the knights, and the Turkish horsebowmen. The Crusader army was at first successful when the right-hand divisions of Bishop Peter and Geoffrey the Monk attacked and defeated the Turks opposed to them. Guy de Frenelle's center division had some success also, but the battle was soon decided on the left flank. Robert of St. Lo and the Turcopoles were driven back into Roger's division, disrupting it. At this point, nature took a hand, blowing a north wind with heavy dust into the faces of the Antiochene knights and footmen, confusing them. The Antiochene footmen, local Syrians and Armenians, soon began to panic and began to crowd amongst the Frankish horsemen, disrupting the battle order. Soon afterwards, Turkish flanking forces enveloped the Crusader forces.

    Early in the battle a force of about 100 Frankish horsemen broke through the Turkish encirclement. These men encountered the remnants of the relief force sent to Athareb, which had been ambushed the previous day and was hurrying to rejoin Roger's force. After learning the about the course of the battle, these men fled directly back to Antioch. Shortly after, Renaud Mansoer and a few knights also broke out, heading for the nearby town of Sarmada.

    Roger of Salerno was killed in the fighting; one chronicle saying he took a sword to the face and fell at the foot of the large jeweled cross he used for a standard. Most of the Antiochene fighters not killed outright in battle were captured and put to death. By noon, the battle was over. Nearly the entire Antiochene force was wiped out, 3500-4000 men. Turkish casualties are not given, but could not have been extensive. This was the first major defeat of the Crusaders since the end of the First Crusade.

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    it continues ... this is from a forum, i dont know how much valid is the rest but she/he indicate some sources:

    The early laws of Jerusalem demanded no less than castration for a Frankish man who raped a Saracen girl (Medicine in the Crusades: Warfare, Wounds and the Medieval Surgeon, Piers Mitchell).

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=563712
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    Dont be stuck with 1000 years ago. Its retarded. Any ways here are my 2 favourite battles of crusades series.
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    Christians still fighting with their past I see
    I am atheist and even in this thread I did not hide a portion of the atrocities they committed. But they were only bloody AND far from being rapey (I CONSIDER the rape of a young teen to be woorse than murdering someone in a painful way) .. contrary to their muslim opponents and the isis.

    It's just not fair to compare these men with rapist savages who even justify child rape
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, Saladin's chronicler, goes into lengthy and bizarre descriptions of the Frankish women taken captive from Jerusalem. I half-expected him to begin with "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me..."




    christians should really have put more effort in eradicating such vile animals.
    before you copy anything , just do a little research about al-isfhani

    that's his book about this era ... everything he saw and heard about it he wrote it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Yes! We don't rape little girls, we marry them.
    they had the wov to do nothing during their crusade.

    the minimum age a girl must have had to marry was 12 (which is not a child , contrary to few 8-10 years olds raped by isis militants) ... while their muslim enemies and isis have no limit .
    12 is indeed too young and barely pedophilic but most of them didn't marry 12 years old and probably werent even interested in marrying such young girls. the noble girls married at 12-13 usually waited 2-3 years before sharing their bed with their older husband though there are few exceptions.

    in middle ages the average age of marriage was about late teens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    before you copy anything , just do a little research about al-isfhani

    that's his book about this era ... everything he saw and heard about it he wrote it here.

    https://ia802506.us.archive.org/24/i...d/ftqaftqd.pdf

    those sentences might not be his but an historian (the one from the first article) has already awknoledged that he was pro rape.... probably he raped some girls too...

    anyway thank you for the link, it is highly appreciated (i hope i will be able to understand it though )
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    I am atheist and even in this thread I did not hide a portion of the atrocities they committed. But they were only bloody but far from being rapey .. contrary to their muslim opponents and the isis.

    It's just not fair to compare these men with rapist savages who even justify child rape
    now , let's see what Gustave Le Bon said about crusaders in his book (La civilizacion Arabe) or the arab civilization



    Quoting novels by monks, historians accompanied the malevolent crusade to Jerusalem, while the Crusaders enter the holy city they done bloody massacres, only indicate the black hatred is rooted in the hearts and minds of the Crusaders .

    Robert the Monk a fanatic, a witness to what happened in Jerusalem, describing the behavior of his people, p. 325:
    (We were our people roam the streets and fields and rooftops to heel their hatred and thirst of killing.

    Not only the pious Knights Crusaders did that (!) So they held conference unanimously agreed on the extermination of all the residents of Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews and Christians Kharijites (who don't agree on the same doctrine as catholics) whose number was sixty thousand

    In eight days, they killed all including a woman and a boy and an old man)

    what you think now?

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