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    Default Minoans were North (West) European?

    Why hasn't this been discussed?

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871


    The greatest percentage of shared Minoan haplotypes was observed with European populations, particularly with individuals from Northern and Western Europe (26.98% and 29.28%, respectively) (Figs 2, 3, 4; Supplementary Table S7). Notably, in Fig. 4, a gradient can be observed, with the lowest affinity for Minoans found with Northern African populations and the percentage of haplotype sharing increasing as we move through the Middle East, Caucasus and the Mediterranean islands, southern Europe and mainland Europe (Fig. 4a). Of notice also is the high percentage of haplotype sharing with Bronze Age (Fig. 4c) and Neolithic (Fig. 4d) European populations.
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    Brace yourself for the incoming greek butthurtness You don't need genetic science to know that ancient Greece was not a product of the same race that inhabits the southern Balkans.

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    "the Minoans are extremely close to the modern Lassithi population, the populations from the islands of Chios and Euboea, as well as the populations of Argolis and Lakonia"

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871

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    "The y axis represents per cent sharing. Notice, in (a) the low frequency of sharing with the North African population (9%) and in (b) the gradual increase of sharing from the Middle East to Southern and Western Europe. c shows sharing with Iron Age and Bronze Age European populations and d shows sharing with Neolithic European populations. Notice that the highest frequency of sharing (33%) is with the Neolithic populations of Southern Europe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakis View Post


    "the Minoans are extremely close to the modern Lassithi population, the populations from the islands of Chios and Euboea, as well as the populations of Argolis and Lakonia"

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871
    This seems to be a question of understanding the difference between PCA analysis and shared similarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    This seems to be a question of understanding the difference between PCA analysis and shared similarity.
    It makes perfect sense for the Minoans to be the closest to modern Greeks.

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    @Norse
    I know that you are a troll (I've been told you are an Indian).

    The neolithic inhabitants of the island could have been, for example, Sardinian-like.
    In general, if we follow mainstream scholars, it is normal to assume that there may have been differences between pre-palatial Crete (~3650-1900 BC), palatial Crete ('Minoan' proper, 1900BC-1425BC), and post-palatial. The palatial civilization is though to have been non-Greek. And apart from that, since the samples of this study are dated 3,700 to 4,400 years ago, it's not even sure if they were 'Minoans' proper (if those samples are from people who were part of the palatial civilization or pre-palatial farmers)


    For me any Y-DNA is possible, since we aren't even sure if their languages were IE or not.

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    I'm going to wait until someone who understand genetics is here. The study clearly says Northern European share the most DNA with Minoans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    I'm going to wait until someone who understand genetics is here. The study clearly says Northern European share the most DNA with Minoans.
    less than 30% so what are ye talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    I'm going to wait until someone who understand genetics is here. The study clearly says Northern European share the most DNA with Minoans.
    But they are genetically the closest to modern Greeks,very far from northern Europeans.

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